Clover hstp on Flobert


#1

Do you know who is the customer of this hstp ?
Thanks
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#2

Hi JP.
I don’t know who the 4 leaf clover was made for, but SFM made the 3 leaf clover headstamp for Frank Dyke, London.

Cheers,
Will.


#3

Here is the three leaf clover from Frank Dyke.


#4

I used to have a picture of a box with a 4 leaf clover on but lost in a pc crash years back. I do however have my notes which stated the tin was in English and said “Shamrock Brand” and made in Germany by Badische Munitionsfabrik, Durlach. I believe these were also made for Frank Dyke but no proof.
Headstamp.
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#5

hello Curtiss

  1. 3 leaves clover was for Shamrock this is sure . .
    It was made by SFM (100 % sure)
    I have the drawing, the order, the label and so on

  2. Perhaps also made by Badishe Munitionfabrick, Durlach.
    This I don’t know.

  3. I doubt the 4 leaves clover is also for Shamrock

JP


#6

For what it’s worth, In R.W. Gracia’s book “The 22 Rimfire Cartridge” he list this headstamp as " Unidentified maker on 6mm Flobert caps packed for Frank Dyke & Co., London, England"

Paul


#7

Jeanpierre I have no idea. Just saying the tin with the 4 leaves stated Shamrock Brand, made in Germany. Whether 4 leaf pic was an error on that box or both were made for Frank Dyke by two different suppliers one can not tell for sure. The 3 leaf for sure was made for Frank Dyke by Gevelot. I have several boxes in rimfire and in pinfire with Made in France and in English for F D & Co., London. Some of the rimfire boxes had 3 leaf shamrock headstamps and a few had a Raised G headstamp. There are several 3 leaf box pictures on the internet as well. The box pic I did have and my headstamp is all I have ever seen on the 4 leaf. Hopefully someone has another box…


#8

Gevelot head stamped Shamrock cartridges.

Curtis, was it a green box with black print, can you remember?

Mike.


#9

Another Shamrock tin, square this time, cartridges are not head stamped.


#10

I believe the above is a 9mm pinfire box. The one with the 4 leaf was similar to the pinfire being a light lime green color with darker/thicker black font text.


#11

Silly question, maybe, but “Double Charge Shot Cartridges”?
A double charge of shot, but double what charge?
Thanks!


#12

I have found for who is the 4 leaves clover Flobert.
It is for Louis Dieu Paris.
JP


#13

Thanks JP. I have amended my notes accordingly on this and the heart headstamp.

Badger Jack: DC or double charge means double charge of shot. SC is single charge of shot.

No such thing as a silly question. Just a question that you don’t know the answer to.

Cheers,
Will.


#14

Well, yes, I got the DC means Double Charge, but Double compared to what size charge?
What IS a single charge?
How does one know what the charge volume- or weight- actually IS?
Did I miss something?
Or am I just confused again?


#15

The shot size does matter in regards to DC or SC it just means twice as much & it has the appropriate powder charge to make it work.
The DC is on top here.
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#16

So, is the DC cartridge always larger than the SC cartridge?
That could be the source of my confusion, I thought all of the cartridges were the same,
except for the size of the shot charge…


#17

Hi Badger Jack.

Sorry for my tardiness. Business got in the way of cartridging once again…

As Pete noted, the DC or Double Charge has a larger powder charge to push out the double amount of shot. As with normal sized shotshells, they used different sized shot in many of these too.

Cheers,
Will.