Cramer & buchholz


#1

Lots of questions about this 16 ga. pinfire shotshell.
Headstamp
CRAMER & BUCHHOLZ
.16.
copper alloy low brass, pinfire, 16 ga.
Topwad 5 over 3m/m
On the side of the red paper case
DIANA - PULVER
picture of girl and dog
Geserzlichgesrhunt ( spelling?)
CRAMER & BUCHHOLZ PULVERFABRIKEN
IN RONSAHL UND RUBELAND (the o in Ronsahl and u in Rubeland has the umlaut)
I am most interested in what Ronsahl and Rubeland is or means?
Who manufactured this shotshell, and where was Cramer and Buchholz located.
Date of manufacture and sale.
Any help is appreciated.
Bob Ruebel ( long ago was Rubel with the umlaut)


#2

The phrase you’ve followed by “(spelling?)” is, I believe, “gesetzlich geschutzt” or “legally protected”; “geschutzt” has an umlaut (which I can’t manage to do on this computer). Ronsahl and Rubeland are localities in Germany. That’s as far as I can go. Jack


#3

Cramer Buchholz was mainly a powder manufacturer.

According to research Will Adye-White did they also had London offices during the following years at the following places:


#4

[quote=“BobRuebel”]Lots of questions about this 16 ga. pinfire shotshell.
Headstamp
CRAMER & BUCHHOLZ
.16.
Bob Ruebel ( long ago was Rubel with the umlaut)[/quote]

Here are the typical hdstps (on pF and CF) you can find with this trade mark:

  • Cramer & Buchholz * 12
  • 12 Hussa 12 * C & B
    seen in catalogues from 1911 to 1913

I must have somewhere the full story of C&B if you are interested
JP
PS : I am still waiting the scan you must send me


#5

JP - You will get the scans - I apologize for the delay and thanks for the reminder.
Please send info on Cramer and Buchholz and Rubeland.
Will you be in St. Louis this week?
Bob R.


#6

[quote=“BobRuebel”]JP - You will get the scans - I apologize for the delay and thanks for the reminder.
Please send info on Cramer and Buchholz and Rubeland.
Will you be in St. Louis this week?
Bob R.[/quote]

no, unfortunately
jp