E.Remington & Sons


#1

Does anyone have a checklist or can provide any listings for ammunition made by or for Remington BEFORE the merger with UMC and using headstamps such as “E.REMINGTON & SONS” (Raised on .50-70 Govt.) or “Remington” (on Shotshells) or perhaps just “REM” or “Rem”. From at least 1875, Remington sold UMC brand ammunition in their Remington Arms. Co. catalogs. If known I would like to know the approximate date of use of any non-UMC headstamps sold by Remington.


#2

Some Remington dates for ammunition:

1816-1865–Remington Armory–(Guns Only)

1 Jan.1865–Incorporated as E.Remington & Sons

1886–In Receivership

1888–Purchased by Winchester Repeating Arms Co. and
Hartley & Graham

1896–Winchester’s shares are bought by Marcellus Hartley and the name is changed to Remington Arms Company.

1911-Name changed to Remington-UMC after Remington Arms Co. and Union Metallic Cartridge Co. merged.

The earliest catalog I have is 1875. It shows only 5 rimfire cartridges (.22 Long, .32 Long, .38 Long, .44 Long & .46 Long) It does not say they made them, just that these are the cartridges adopted to the guns they make. Has anyone seen any rimfire box with the E.Remington & Sons name on it. I suspect they were UMC made, but n one of the drawings show any headstamp. This catalog alos shows 5 centerfire cartridge (.40-50-310 Paper Patched, .40-70-310 Paper Patched, Nos. .44 Long Range with 400 GR. Paper Patched bullet and 77 1/2 gr. powder, .44-90-550 Paper Patched “Special” for Creedmoor Rifle and .50 Government with 486 gr. lead bullet and 70 gr. powder). I have listed these as listed in the catalog. Again none of these are shown with a headstamp. The .50-70 Govt. probabily had the raised headstamp “E.REMINGTON & SONS”. Does anyone know when they first used this headstamp? It had to be sometime between 1873-1886.

The 1878 catalog has a long list of both rimfires and centerfires being offered for sale. (I suspect the rimfires were all UMC brand.). What calibres of centerfires are
known in “E.Remington & Sons” boxes. Are any of these headstamped. The catalog discusses using Brass shotshells in both 10 & 12 Ga., but oddly only list Paper 10 &12 ga. in the price list, no brass shells.

The 1885 catalog is the first one I have that shows a headstamp. It is “REMINGTON’S” (With an apostrophe) on 10, 12, 14,16A & 16B brass shotshells. I know they also used “E.REMINGTON” and “REMINGTON” (No apostrophe ) on shotshells in this era. Does anyone have any dates of use?. Again, this catalog has a long list of rimfire and centerfire calibers. I suspect the rimfires were all “U” headstamped and all the centerfires were “UMC” until 1911 when “REM-UMC” began to be used.

Does anyone know of any other headstamps being used by Remington between 1865 and 1911


#3

No paper shells in 1885 catalogue ???

JP


#4

JP–These are the only shot shells in the 1885 E.Remington & Sons Catalog. They are headstamped “REMINGTON’S 12”

Althrough the 1878 catalog lists 10 & 12 Ga. Paper shells, to my knowledge, no one has ever found one. I’m not sure E.Remington & Sons ever produced paper shot shells.


#5

Hum !!!
Are you sure you have the 1877 catalogue ???
In mine they give price for :
All brass : 10, 12, 16
Paper : 10, 12

JP


#6

Hi Ron !

  1. Have you scans of 1878 catalogue ?
  2. I have the 1887 catalogue if you need
  3. Now another question :
    HAS SOMEBODY EVER SEEN A REMINGTON ALL BRASS SHELL WITH A OR B IN THE HSTP ?

Thanks
JP


#7

[quote=“jean-pierre”]HAS SOMEBODY EVER SEEN A REMINGTON ALL BRASS SHELL WITH A OR B IN THE HSTP ?
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EXCEPT 12 B or 14A, excuse me
JP


#8

Ron…Back in 2000, Howard Hoovestol did a nice book on E. Remington and Sons cartridges…I have a copy…Randy


#9

JP–My comment about the 1877 catalog not listing brass shot shells for sale was a typo. It is the 1878 catalog that should have been noted. Sorry for the confusion. Here is a scan of the page in question. The shot shells are in the middle of the second column. Note no brass shot shells.

I do not have scans of the 1878 catalog, but I do have a reprint done by the Rolling Block Press in 1984.

Yes, I have both the E.Remington 1887 catalog and the UMC 1887 catalog.


#10

Too late, I already sent them to you
JP