Early DM 7.92x57 dummy?


#1

I recently acquired this round, and as you know, am no specialist in this calibre.

It appears to be an early dummy. Unfortunately the headstamp is very finely stamped on a dark background and I was not able to get a decent picture, but it is “18 DM 98 0” with the “DM” in the twelve o’clock position.

The “bullet” is made from sheet and closed with a four petal crimp and the primer pocket filled with a lead/solder material. The whole round has a bronzed appearance but that may be aging. It is in mint condition with no primer strike. Total weight is 281.0 grains.

All and any information appreciated.

Regards
TonyE


#2

Tony, could you please check your head stamp again.
In 1898, D.M. used a 120° head stamp like D.M. 7 98
In 1900 the 90° head stamp was introduced.

Rgds
Dutch


#3

It is very clearly a four position headstamp!

I will try to take a better picture later.

Regards
TonyE


#4

I may be off-base here, but…
I have 7.65 x 53.5 Mauser cartridges, several loaded and several dummies, that have headstamps like:
D.M. (at 12 o:clock), 18 (at 9 o:clock), 98 (at 3 o:clock) and K (Karlsruhe) at 6 o:clock, so a four position headstamp was used on this caliber at least as early as 1892…( D.M. 18 92 K.)
Why not on 7.92 x 57 ?

Randy


#5

Tony,

You looked good.
Found a Picture in my files.

Rgds
Dutch


#6

Randy: The DWM headstamp on the 7.65 m/m cartridges is in their commercial style; the three position stamp was for German military contract. Virtually all early 7.9 m/m was for the German armed forces, but maybe not all of it & perhaps the dummy shown has a commercial origin. Jack


#7

Yes, that is exactly it.

Cheers
Tony


#8

Tony,

I just looked in my old 7.9 cartridge collection catalog, and I had an identical dummy round, same exact headstamp except that mine was dated 96. Same blackish primer pocket filler. I don’t know what the “O” meant. Mine was mint to. It was the only one like it I had/have ever actually seen. They seem to be quite a rare type and headstamp. I wonder if there was a “97” date?


#9

John,

If I remember well, this pickture was made in your ammo room.

Yours
Dutch


#10

Dutch,

If that is the case, then my records must be wrong. For headstamps like that in my catalog, I drew them from the cartridge. I guess I could have read it wrong, although when I went to search my catalog, I remembered my round as being the same as the one pictured, except for being a “96” date.

For now, despite the “evidence” of what I wrote down, I guess we should consider that the rounds are from 1898 with the faint possibility that other dates exist. I wish I could remember who go that round from me. I thought it was you, Durtch, to be honest. I will check with someone else.