For those that didn’t read my article in IAA on 7.65 Glisenti, while there seems little question that the 7.65 Glisenti cartridge was designed early on in the 20th Century or at the end of the 19th Century, the known cartridges are an enigma. All known specimens were made by DWM, most coming out of one box that was originally either at SIG or the ammunition factory at Thun in Switzerland. The box and label style would indicate that the cartidges were actually made in the late 1920s or early 1930s!!! Further, British field test reports of the 1906 7.65 Glisenti pistol originally trialed in Italy indicate thru drawings of the cartridge headstamps, obtained in Italy with the pistol tested, that the caliber of that pistol was actually 7.65 mm Parabellum - the Standard DWM 471 cartridge, with some of the cartridges (from Italy) tested having the standard K DWM K 471 headstamp and others having a headstamp from Bologna never seen on 7.65 mm (.30 Luger) by any collector I know, nor reported in any of the Italian cartridge Books. Further, an early “X-Ray” drawing of the 1906 Glisenti pistol shows cartridges perfectly shaped like 7.65 mm Parabellum in the magazine, not rounds with the high shoulder of the 7.65 Glisenti cartridge. An earlier drawing of one of the Revelli prototypes shows cartridges well represented in form as the 7.65 Glisenti with high shoulder! The later drawing, along twith the British test reports, leads us to believe that the cartridge representations in both of the drawings are accurate.
A real mystery. Since I know someone who has a Vitali pistol, I am going to pursue this, but it may take some time.