Estimating cartridge values


#1

Hello

I’m trying to estimate trade value of certain Soviet & Russian military cartridges that I have. I’m going to do some trading with French collector and need to establish fair value of what I have. All my stuff is inert (as per Russian laws), and most, I believe, is either scarce or quite rare in the West.

can I post my list here, or shall I do it in “Trade” forum? I’m not going to sell or trade this stuff here (at least for now), but need estimated values only.

Thanks


#2

Max, I would suggest you send the lists individually to a few US and European collectors first. You might get a good idea of value and demand, without upsetting too many board members who might never get a chance at the items in question.
Just my thoughts.


#3

Agree with John 100%. It seems prices in Europe are 3-5 higher than U.S. prices for the same cartridge. I first found this out at a IAA show when dealing with European collectors about 25 yrs. ago (Chicago),and I don’t notice any change at the later SLICS shows

Jack

Charles. J. Wells (Jack)
Sgm. USA. Ret.


#4

FWIW, I would enjoy seeing a list (information with pictures ???) of rare Soviet & Russian military cartridges.

Yes, I may never own one or even see one in person but I STILL enjoy information/pictures concerning rare/scarce cartridges. Information, no matter how minor concerning cartridges like this has value and interest.

Who knows, just maybe some forum members could then offer some opinions on values.

Brian


#5

Thanks, gentlemen

Never say never, right? ;)
Right now my trading stock is limited, but I can find most of the interesting stuff again, although it all will be inert / deactivated.

But that’s a matter for another section of the forum or PM.

and if anyone just want some photos of the Russian / Soviet stuff (only small arms, no bigger stuff, sorry) - feel free to ask. I’m a poor photographer, but a little bit of practice will not hurt anyone.


#6

Max - Since I am still working on my Makarov book and collection, I would love to get pictures of any scarce 9 mm Makarov rounds (profile and headstamp) for my files. I have a moderately good collection, about 650 specimens (I save every date), but I get surprised all the time by news of ones I do not even know about. If I ever get this finished, “Ammunition” will be Volume III. The text, what I know up to know on 9 x 18 ammunition, is actually finished.

You have already helped me and are so acknowledged. Any further help will, of course, be appreciated.

thank you.


#7

hello
for some russian calibers price in europe are very high

9x39 :250e
5.6x39 and 4.5x45 “flechettes” : up to 100e
5.45x18 :10e (but i will able to find one for 1e)
12.7x108 mdz :150e

but other are very low

14.5x114 mdz :30e
14.5x114 “z” instantaneous :30e
23x115 API :25e
23x152 HEI-T : 25e

rounds in perfect shape and live

my dream is a common 9x39 “ball” (no AP) cartridge (classified as hunting cartridge)

it strange ,can finds live auto cannon rounds but not a 9x39 in good price


#8

You need to attend the German ECRA show then. There the prices are lower than what you described.


#9

hello
unfortunely i don’t had the chance to go on these ECRA meetings (i don’t had “parrainage”)
i see pictures of these and i think that i can find my dream


#10

[quote=“ammogun”]hello
my dream is a common 9x39 “ball” (no AP) cartridge (classified as hunting cartridge)
[/quote]
These are quite scarce due to very limited production (very few guns made in that caliber for civilian market); however, some new round might be made from time to time, so there’s nothing really impossible


#11

hello
this 9x39 ball is called SP5 ,i think is not different than civilian rounds


#12

I wish any type of 9x39 was easy to get a hold of here in Norway. Seems absolutely impossible to find.


#13

[quote=“ammogun”]hello
this 9x39 ball is called SP5 ,i think is not different than civilian rounds[/quote]

No, the SP-5 has an iron core while the civilain is all lead core.
Also the military SP-5 is made by KSPZ only and has no hs while civilian ones (also by KSPZ) have headstamps - that would also qualify them for LE/MIA use in Russia but are not observed in this configuration.
I am uncertain if the SP-5 is still made as TPZ entered the market with the SPP which is basically a sniper AP.


#14

[quote=“EOD”]You need to attend the German ECRA show then. There the prices are lower than what you described.[/quote]


#15

I have seen inert 9x39 Rounds being sold by a European dealer at a militaria show in the UK. The price was £30 GBP per cartridge. Much lower than €250.


#16

hello
250E is for a live specimen not an inert one