European BAN for assault weapons proposed

European commission has proposed new, harder guns laws. These would include:

-ban of any “assault weapons”, that are classified in the B7 category… AR, AK, FAL etc… EVEN IF PERMANENTLY DEACTIVATED

  • selling and possession of alarm weapons regulated by a declaration of the owner
    -ban of online sales of weapons, key parts of weapons and ammunition.

It had to happen but it won’t make any difference. I very much doubt the weapons used in the Paris attacks came through legitimate channels and were bought over the counter.
The outer perimeters of the EU are so porous that people are flooding in unchecked and undocumented. Its not only people either, the same routes have been used to smuggle every form of contraband since day one.

Thats too hard to address so another well publicised but totally ineffective ban will be imposed

I predict Britain will leave the EU within the next couple of years. The whole thing is falling apart

Dear friends,

We do need HELP to stop this madness in Europe! There is a petition against Commission’s proposed directive…

Follow this link: … -ownership

…and sign the petition. Share this link to EVERYONE and tell them to sign it too and share it forward…

We need thousands and thousands of names to stop this!

In case you didn’t know this ban concerns cartridge collectors as well… private ownership of ammunition in class A (APs, incendiaries, tracers…) will be prohibited too.

Please… help…us!

Thank you Mika, done!





It’s a shame that the terrorist acts of Paris are misused for further discrimination of peaceful (known, checked and registered) legal weapons owners.

It’s hard to imagine some of the more gun friendly Eastern European EU member states enforcing such new laws, or that any relevant consequence would be carried out against them for not enforcing. I can see Germany, France, and Greece getting on board immediately, but not the Czechs, Finns, and Austrians. The Austrians should be clamoring for more guns with the current concerns over the refugee crisis.

Thank goodness for Switzerland at least.

Apparently they have learned nothing from France. B

Always the same. Punish the innocent and support the guilty. What a pitty.
Of course signed

Just an idea of what could happen in the next future…remember that A category will also include “assault weapons”, demilitarized or civilian, even if deactivated. Categry C will include alarm pistols, replicas and deactivated weapons

Yes, this will stop any sale of grenades or artillery fuzes or bombs, even if deactivated since this stuff is included in category A

Also AP, tracer and explosive bullets even if inert

This looks like very “italian”

Would it help or hurt if Americans sign the petition?

I think that any help is welcome


All help is much appreciated and I think it’s ok US citizens to sign this petition too.

I think Finland was the only country in Europe seeing this coming, we got the first warning in late October. Attached you can find our cabinet’s (government’s) official line (from TODAY!) to this storm. Finland (as do the Czech government too) really wants to stop this stupidity:

Finnish Parlament Statement Regarding Revision of Weapons Directive E 60/2015
Original Statement: … +2015.aspx


In the E-letter received there is a question regarding pre-emptive measures to potential changes to weapons directive. According to letter, we can expect that European Commission proposes restrictions to private ownership of at least automatic firearms and proposes moving the semiautomatic versions of assault rifles to category A and restricting private sales of firearms over internet.

Opinion of the Cabinet:
Banning of the automatic weapons and restricting semiautomatic versions:
Finland believes that commission should restrict illegal trafficking of firearms instead. Illegal trafficking will become harder once deactivation standards are aligned. According to commission this is discussed in meeting of firearms committee on 3rd of November 2015. In addition trafficking can be curbed by aligning the legislation regarding ”essential parts” of firearms in member countries more efficiently. Restrictions to internet-trade and more supervision can also prevent firearms from falling into wrong hands.

Instead of banning private ownership permits process can be revised to control the possession of such firearms better than today for example requiring proof of need and membership in sports organization. In addition permits could be re-evaluated periodically.

Restrictions to arms collectors:
Deactivated firearms have little to none collectors value and banning them does not harm shooting sports in Finland. Possession of automatic firearms should still be allowed to private collectors and museums. Also it is necessary to continue giving permits to full auto firearms for academic purposes.

Restrictions to Internet sales:
Instead banning internet sales, better option would be to control it. Permits should be required to purchase firearms online and sales over the borders should controlled by improving exchange of information between the authorities.

Arguments of the Cabinet:

In the E-letter there is a question about pre-emptive measures regarding directive 91/477/ETY (firearms directive) revision. According to information commission has given statement on 18th of November 2015 to which U-letter is being prepared. In this statement cabinet addresses the questions regarding changes to weapons directive based on feedback received from the experts. In this weapons directive the minimum standards are set for weapons legislation in member countries. This directive only sets the minimum level for national legislation and it has proven to be inefficient regarding weapon definitions and essential parts. Due to this national legislation differs in member countries and because of this it is possible to legally buy parts and assemble firearms and transport them to another country where those parts are illegal. Therefore the current control system is inefficient and risk of getting caught is only minor.

Based on estimates, the European Commission proposes restrictions to private ownership of at least automatic firearms and proposes moving the semiautomatic versions of assault rifles to category A and restricting private sales of firearms over internet. No detailed information is available at this time.

Based on recent studies, these restrictions might have significant impact to private ownership of firearms and shooting sports in Finland. Depending on the proposed content, these restrictions will impact national defense, national reserve shooting events, sports shooting, hunting and weapons collecting. This also has a significant impact on gun manufacturers and retailers.

Cabinet proposes to pay particular attention to impact for voluntary military reserve activities. Voluntary reserve has a significant role in maintaining both will and skill of the reserve. Finland’s defence relies on large reserve.

95% of the military personnel are reserve whose skills are maintained by Finnish Defence forces. Voluntary activities support this activity and ensures that reserve can support authorities.

According to studies restrictions to semiautomatic assault rifles and machine pistols will have significant impact to skills of the armed reserve. Shooting activities are mostly performed with weapons proposed to be restricted and over time this will impact both skills and morale of the reserve. According to cabinet restricting reserve activities sends a mixed signals outside. According to studies, change also impacts the position of maanpuolustuskoulutusyhdistys as a strategic partner to Finnish Defence forces specially if possession of weapons is not allowed to public organizations.

Banning of the private ownership of semiautomatic firearms leads to the end of the sports shooting activities like pistol shooting, IPSC and it also might impact weapons used for hunting. Banning of automatic firearms impacts collectors.

Based on E-letter, restrictions to internet sales are vague at best. There is no information whether selling, buying or both are proposed to be restricted. The weapon types mentioned in E-letter are already requiring permits in Finland and moving them over borders requires permits as well. Customs will monitor that weapons moving across the borders have all necessary permits. Proposed restrictions perhaps try to address illegal firearms sales where parts are sourced from multiple countries exploiting the differences in legislation when it comes to deactivation standards and definitions of ”essential parts”. According to studies received by the cabinet, there have been incidents where deactivated firearms have been found to be easily converted back to functional automatic weapons. These insufficiently deactivated firearms have been found from Finland. Cabinet agrees that common deactivation standards would be an efficient mean to prevent illegal firearms trafficing and process to align standards should be expedited.

In Finland all restrictions apply only to law abiding citizens who use firearms in authorized and controlled shooting sports. Restrictions to internet sales would introduce additional challenges to those transactions where the distance between buyer and the seller is long. This is common in Finland. Also weapon maintenance is essential part of firearm safety.

The goal of the commission is to improve internal security of the EU. According to cabinet measures in E-letter, it is not possible to efficiently prevent obtaining firearms illegally. Instead proposed measures target already restricted legal activities. Received statements also indicate that the more strict the firearms control is, the bigger the demand for illegal firearms is.

The changes should address restricting the illegal firearms trafficking instead. In addition cabinet states, that preventing crime in EU area requires constant efficient communication between different authorities and expert knowledge of the firearms law.

It is the opinion of the cabinet that in Finland firearms law is strict but functional which enables safe and controlled weapons collecting, shooting sports, hunting and reserve shooting activities and participation to shooting competitions. Cabinet also believes, that EU restrictions should rather use Finnish firearms legislation as a model of a working firearms law ant try to harmonize EU legislation according to Finnish legislation.

I doubt that the petition will do any good. The EU bureaucrats know that they are completely unaccountable, as they are anonymous and un-elected. This legislation would have been pre-written, ready to be unveiled at a convenient time.

The politicians in all of the member states bow down to them for financial reasons. They also know that they have well paid jobs available with the EU after their political careers in their countries end.

Of course most of the general public in Europe will gleefully support it, as they have been taught from Birth that guns are inherently evil. I remember a class teacher here in the UK telling our class that “guns are horrible, horrible things, which are only made to kill people”. this was around the year 2000. It seems like all the anti-gun arguments are read from the same script.

Here in the UK the semi-auto rifle ban won’t make any difference, as that already happened years ago. AP and incendiary ammunition are also banned, even as loose projectiles. However collectors can posses these with a Section 5 license. This EU ban may mean that they stop issuing these licenses to private individuals.

I am unsure how the issue of deactivated weapons would be addressed in the UK. There are hundreds of thousands in circulation and they are not licensed or registered. This is the same with inert artillery fuzes and grenades. They may simply give a time frame to turn them in (without compensation) or be charged with possession of illegal firearms, as they did with the Brocock air pistols.

If I am right, these laws should not apply to Switzerland as they are not in the EU.

"In the wake of the horrific events in Paris last week, the European Commission has this week announced that it will be amending the Firearms Directive to make it more difficult to acquire firearms, including deactivated firearms, with the aim of improving traceability and stronger co-operation between member states.

Like a lot of the guys on here, In my working life I got sent on these management courses for solving problems and dealing with bad situations’

Without being patronising it goes something like this

  1. Make a list of everything thats going wrong

  2. Prioritise that list

  3. Start at top of the list and work down

The leader of the Paris attack Abdul Hamid Abaaoud was able to travel twice from Syria to Paris along the refugee route with complete impunity in the months before the attack. He got fingerprinted twice along the way (big deal!) otherwise they wouldn’t even have known that much. He was already a known terrorist with links to other people and plots. An absolutely disgraceful state of affairs and look what happened as a consequence

And their response is to propose a ban on legal rifles and other items. Somebody tell me again how that is a priority?

Finland is great

Those words would be utopian in many other countries


And their response is to propose a ban on legal rifles and other items. Somebody tell me again how that is a priority?[/quote]

It is a priority which is years old as it is meant to disarm the critical (and un-critical) population which is the majority within the EU as nobody (the population) ever wanted the EU (besides certain few governments and corrupt politicians).
The sad events in Paris are just being abused as a vehicle to get this done. Means the plans were in the drawers already and waited for something to happen - et voilà!
It is our politicians taking our freedom away and not the terrorists!
Bad moon rising…

And we may stop bringing more “springtime” and “democracy” to Arab countries that in return would bring us much less terrorists, death and destruction. Mind your own business!