Evansville Ordnance Plant .45 Ball M1911 Cartridge Boxes and Lot Numbers


#1

Hello,

Here is the latest update adapted to the new forum format. For more information read this thread started by Brian: WW2 Cal .45 ACP Repack Evansville Ordnance Plant (Chrysler)

Additions and corrections are most welcome!

Regards,

Fede

Lot and marking variations observed in Evansville brass cased .45 Ball M1911 cartridge cartons

In correlative order according to lot number:

  • 1st type
    Earliest lot number: 24014
    Latest lot number:
    Note: 20 round carton

  • 2nd type (carton)
    Earliest lot number: E. C. 24128 * - E. C. 24132
    Latest lot number: E. C. 24224
    Note: 50 round carton. Printed manufacturer’s symbol.

  • 2nd type (box)
    Earliest lot number: E. C. 24205
    Latest lot number:
    Note: 1800 round type T2AAD (not marked as such)

  • 3rd type
    Earliest lot number: EC 24218
    Latest lot number:
    Note: 50 round carton. Both the manufacturer’s symbol and lot number are rubber stamped.

Lot and marking variations observed in Evansville steel cased .45 Ball M1911 cartridge cartons, cans and boxes (except repacks)

In correlative order according to lot number:

  • 1st type
    Earliest lot number: ECS 24065 *
    Latest lot number:
    Note: 50 round carton. Both the manufacturer’s symbol and lot number are rubber stamped.

  • 2nd type (carton)
    Prefix: S
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S24127
    Latest lot number: E. C. S24214

  • 3rd type (carton)
    Steel Case Ammunition (rubber stamped)
    Earliest lot number: E. C. 24508
    Latest lot number: E. C. 24538
    Note: no prefix or suffix

  • 4th type (box)
    Steel Case Ammunition
    Suffix: S
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S. 24553S
    Latest lot number:
    Note: 1800 round type T2AAD (not marked as such)

  • 5th type (carton)
    Steel Case Ammunition (rubber stamped)
    Suffix: S
    Earliest lot number: E. C. 24594S
    Latest lot number: E. C. 24600S - E. C. 24954S *

  • 6th type (carton)
    Steel Case Ammunition (printed)
    Prefix: S
    Suffix: S
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S24621S * - E. C. S24629S
    Latest lot number: E. C. S24647S

  • 7th type (box)
    Steel Case Ammunition
    Suffix: S
    Earliest lot number: E. C. 24630S
    Latest lot number: E. C. 24656S
    Note: 1800 round type T2AAD (not marked as such)

  • 7th type (carton)
    Steel Case Ammunition (printed)
    Suffix: S
    Earliest lot number: E. C. 24648S
    Latest lot number: E. C. 24686S

  • 8th type (carton)
    Steel Case Ammunition (printed)
    Prefix: S
    Suffix: XC
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S24696XC * - E. C. S24713XC
    Latest lot number: E. C. S24955XC

  • 9th type (carton)
    Steel Case Ammunition (printed)
    Prefix: S
    Suffix: X
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S24705X
    Latest lot number:

  • 10th type (carton)
    Prefix: S
    Suffix: XC
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S24721XC
    Latest lot number:

  • 11th type (carton)
    Prefix: S-
    Suffix: XC
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S-24721XC *
    Latest lot number:

  • 12th type (carton)
    Steel Case Ammunition (printed)
    Suffix: XC
    Earliest lot number: E. C. 24706XC
    Latest lot number: E. C. 24946XC

  • 12th type (box 1)
    Steel Case Ammunition
    Suffix: XC
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S. 24707XC
    Latest lot number: E. C. S. 24737XC
    Note: 1800 round type T2AAD (not marked as such)

  • 12th type (box 2)
    Steel Case Ammunition
    Suffix: XC
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S. 24929XC
    Latest lot number:
    Note: 1800 round type T2AAD (marked as such)

  • 13th type (box)
    Steel Case Ammunition
    Suffix: XC
    Earliest lot number: E. C. 24719XC
    Latest lot number: E. C. 24766XC
    Note: 1800 round type T2AAD (not marked as such)

  • 13th type (carton)
    Suffix: XC
    Earliest lot number: E. C. 24952XC
    Latest lot number:

  • 14th type (carton)
    Prefix: _S
    Earliest lot number: E. C. _S25012
    Latest lot number: E. C. _S25271

  • 15th type (carton)
    Prefix: S S
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S S25025
    Latest lot number:
    Note: The first “S” is separated from the lot number and was added after “E. C.” to form “E. C. S”.

  • 16th type (carton)
    Prefix: S_S
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S_S25059
    Latest lot number: E. C. S_S25244

  • 17th type (carton)
    Prefix: -S
    Earliest lot number: E. C. -S25060
    Latest lot number: E. C. -S25252 - E. C. -S25276 *

  • 17th type (box 1)
    Suffix: -S
    Earliest lot number: E. C. -S25128
    Latest lot number:
    Note: 1800 round type T2AAD (marked as such)

  • 17th type (box 2)
    Suffix: -S
    Earliest lot number: E. C. -S25198
    Latest lot number: E. C. -S25206
    Note: 2000 round type T2AAA (marked as such)

  • 18th type (carton)
    Prefix: S-S
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S-S24989 * - E. C. S-S25031
    Latest lot number: E. C. S-S25273 - E. C. S-S25274 *

  • 19th type (box)
    Suffix: S
    Earliest lot number: E. C.S. S25169
    Latest lot number:
    Note: 1800 round type T2AAD (marked as such)

  • 20th type (carton)
    Prefix: S-
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S-25272 *
    Latest lot number: E. C. S-25279

  • 21th type (carton)
    Prefix: S-S-
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S-S-25274
    Latest lot number: E. C. S-S-25292
    Note: E. C. S-S-25274 carton packed in M5 can without manufacturer or lot markings.

  • 22th type (carton)
    Prefix: -S-
    Earliest lot number: E. C. -S-25276
    Latest lot number: E. C. -S-25288

Lot and marking variations observed in Evansville repacked brass cased .45 Ball M1911 cartridge cartons

  • 3-44 (carton)
    Prefix:
    Earliest lot number: FA 1409
    Latest lot number:

Lot and marking variations observed in Evansville repacked steel cased .45 Ball M1911 cartridge cartons, cans and boxes

In correlative order according to repacking date:

  • 3-44 (carton)
    Prefix: S-S-
    Earliest lot number: E.C. S-S-24991 Repacked E. C. 3-44
    Latest lot number: E.C. S-S-25079 Repacked E. C. 3-44 *

  • 3-44 (box 1)
    Prefix: S-S-
    Earliest lot number: E.C.S.-S-25273 Repacked E. C. 3-44
    Latest lot number:
    Note: T2AAF

  • 3-44 (carton)
    Prefix: -S-
    Earliest lot number: E.C.-S-25056 Repacked E. C. 3-44
    Latest lot number: E.C.-S-25080 Repacked E. C. 3-44

  • 3-44 (can 1)
    Prefix: -S-
    Earliest lot number: E.C.-S-25080 Repacked E.C.-3-44
    Latest lot number:
    Note: T2AAF

  • 3-44 (can 2)
    Prefix: -S-
    Earliest lot number: E.C.S.-S-25091 Repacked E.C.-3-44
    Latest lot number: E.C.S.-S-25103 Repacked E.C.-3-44
    Note: T2AAF

  • 3-44 (box 2)
    Prefix: -S-
    Earliest lot number: E.C.-S-25080 Repacked E. C. 3-44
    Latest lot number:
    Note: T2AAF

  • 3-44 (carton)
    Prefix: -S-
    Earliest lot number: E.C. -S-25092 Repacked E.C.-3-44
    Latest lot number:
    Note: Repacked E.C.-3-44 is rubber stamped.

  • 4-44 (carton)
    Prefix: -
    Suffix: XC
    Earliest lot number: E.C. -24802XC Repacked E. C. 4-44 *
    Latest lot number:

  • 5-44 (carton)
    Prefix: S-S-
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S-S-25067 Repacked E. C. 5-44
    Latest lot number: E. C. S-S-25181 Repacked E. C. 5-44

  • 5-44 (box)
    Prefix: -S-S-
    Earliest lot number: E.C.-S-25119 Repacked E. C. 3-44
    Latest lot number:
    Note: T2AAF

  • 5-44 (can)
    Unfit Food Container
    Prefix: -S-
    Earliest lot number: ECS-S-25081 Repacked EC-5-44
    Latest lot number: ECS-S-25133 Repacked E. C. 5-44

  • 5-44 (carton)
    Prefix: -S-
    Earliest lot number: E. C. -S-25063 Repacked E. C. 5-44
    Latest lot number: E. C. -S-25180 Repacked E. C. 5-44

  • 5-44 (can)
    Unfit Food Container
    Prefix: -S-
    Earliest lot number: EC-S-25132 Repacked EC-5-44
    Latest lot number:

  • 5-44 (can)
    Prefix: -S-
    Earliest lot number: EC-S-25176 Repacked EC-5-44
    Latest lot number: EC-S-25177 Repacked EC-5-44

  • 5-44 (carton)
    Prefix: FA-S-
    Earliest lot number: FA-S-1474 Repacked E. C. 5-44
    Latest lot number:

  • 6-44 (carton)
    Prefix: S-
    Suffix: S
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S-24627S Repacked E. C. 6-44 *
    Latest lot number: E. C. S-24683S Repacked E. C. 6-44 *

  • 6-44 (can)
    Unfit Food Container
    Suffix: XC
    Earliest lot number: ECS-24745XC Repacked EC-6-44
    Latest lot number:

  • 6-44 (carton)
    Prefix: S-
    Suffix: XC
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S-24716XC Repacked E. C. 6-44
    Latest lot number: E. C. S-24877XC Repacked E. C. 6-44

  • 6-44 (carton)
    Prefix: -S
    Earliest lot number: E. C. -S25032 Repacked E. C. 6-44 *
    Latest lot number:

  • 6-44 (carton)
    Prefix: S-S-
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S-S-25014 Repacked E. C. 6-44 * - E. C. S-S-25087 Repacked E. C. 6-44
    Latest lot number: E. C. S-S-25169 Repacked E. C. 6-44

  • 6-44 (can)
    Unfit Food Container
    Prefix: -S-
    Earliest lot number: ECS-S-25129 Repacked EC-6-44
    Latest lot number:

  • 6-44 (carton)
    Prefix: -S-
    Earliest lot number: E. C. -S-25154 Repacked E. C. 6-44
    Latest lot number: E. C. -S-25168 Repacked E. C. 6-44

  • 6-44 (can)
    Unfit Food Container
    Prefix: -S-
    Earliest lot number: EC-S-25164 Repacked EC-6-44
    Latest lot number:

  • 7-44 (carton)
    Prefix: -
    Suffix: XC
    Earliest lot number: E. C. -24752XC Repacked E. C. 7-44 * - E. C. -24762XC Repacked E. C. 7-44
    Latest lot number: E. C. -24940XC Repacked E. C. 7-44

  • 7-44 (carton)
    Prefix: S-
    Suffix: XC
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S-24767XC Repacked E. C. 7-44
    Latest lot number: E. C. S-24915XC Repacked E. C. 7-44

  • 7-44 (can)
    Unfit Food Container
    Suffix: XC
    Earliest lot number: EC-24762XC Repacked EC-7-44
    Latest lot number: EC-24864XC Repacked EC-7-44

  • 7-44 (box)
    Prefix: -
    Suffix: XC
    Earliest lot number: EC-24824XC Repacked EC-7-44
    Latest lot number: EC-24913XC Repacked EC-7-44
    Note: T2AAF

  • 7-44 (carton)
    Suffix: XC
    Earliest lot number: E. C. 24864XC Repacked E. C. 7-44 *
    Latest lot number:

  • 7-44 (can)
    Unfit Food Container
    Prefix: -S-
    Earliest lot number: ECS-S-25073 Repacked EC-7-44
    Latest lot number:

  • 7-44 (can)
    Unfit Food Container
    Prefix: -S-
    Earliest lot number: EC-S-25074 Repacked EC-7-44
    Latest lot number:

  • 8-44 (carton)
    Prefix: -
    Suffix: S
    Earliest lot number: E. C. -24562S Repacked E. C. 8-44
    Latest lot number:

  • 8-44 (box)
    Prefix: -
    Suffix: XC
    Earliest lot number: EC-24723XC Repacked EC-8-44
    Latest lot number:
    Note: T2AAF

  • 8-44 (carton)
    Prefix: -
    Suffix: XC
    Earliest lot number: E. C. -24723XC Repacked EC-8-44
    Latest lot number: E. C. -24932XC Repacked EC-8-44 *

  • 8-44 (carton)
    Prefix: S-
    Suffix: XC
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S-24793XC Repacked E. C. 8-44
    Latest lot number: E. C. S-24845XC Repacked E. C. 8-44

  • 8-44 (carton)
    Prefix: -S-
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S-25038 Repacked EC-8-44
    Latest lot number: E. C. -S-25148 Repacked EC-8-44

  • 8-44 (carton)
    Prefix: S-S-
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S-S25039 Repacked EC-8-44
    Latest lot number: E. C. S-S25147 Repacked EC-8-44 *

  • 8-44 (carton)
    Prefix: S-
    Earliest lot number: E. C. -25080 Repacked E. C. 8-44 *
    Latest lot number:

  • 8-44 (box)
    Prefix: -S-
    Earliest lot number: EC-S-25142 Repacked EC-8-44
    Latest lot number:
    Note: T2AAF

  • 8-44 (can)
    Unfit Food Container
    Prefix: -S-
    Earliest lot number: EC-S-25148 Repacked EC-8-44
    Latest lot number:

  • 9-44 (carton)
    Prefix: S-S-
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S-S-25051 Repacked E. C. 9-44 *
    Latest lot number:

Additional notes:

  • Earliest lot (brass case): 24014

  • Latest lot (brass case): E. C. 24224

  • Earliest lot (steel case): ECS 24065 * - E. C. S24127

  • Latest lot (steel case): E. C. -S-25288

  • Latest lot packed in M1 waxed container: E. C. -S25128

  • Earliest lot packed in M5 can: E. C. S-S-25274 (not repack)

  • Earliest lot packed in T2AAD box: E. C. S. 24553S

  • Latest lot packed in T2AAD box: E. C. S. S25169

  • Earliest lot packed in T2AAA box: E. C. -S25198

  • Latest lot packed in T2AAA box: E. C. -S25206

  • Earliest T2AAF box: E.C.-S-25080 Repacked E. C. 3-44

  • Earliest lot packed in T2AAF box: EC-24723XC Repacked EC-8-44

  • Latest lot packed in T2AAF box: E.C.S.-S-25273 Repacked E. C. 3-44

  • Earliest repacked lot: E. C. -24562S Repacked E. C. 8-44

  • Latest repacked lot: E.C.S.-S-25273 Repacked E. C. 3-44

  • Repacking dates: 3-44, 5-44, 6-44, 7-44, and 8-44

  • Repacking dates not verified: 4-44 and 9-44

  • A “S” suffix or prefix indicates a steel case.

  • A “S” suffix and prefix indicates a steel case made at the Sunbeam Division.

  • A “X” suffix indicates a steel bullet jacket.

  • A “XC” suffix indicates a steel case and steel bullet jacket.

  • A “S-S” prefix indicates a steel case made at the Sunbeam Division.

  • A “FA-S” prefix indicates a steel cased cartridge made by Frankford Arsenal.

  • A lot number followed by a “*” means that a picture of the box has not been verified.


#2

Fede,

Fantastic work!!!

Brian


#3

New box style added showing “X” suffix instead of the usual “XC”. I assume that “X” could have been the first identification symbol chosen to indicate a steel bullet jacket.

  • 6th type (carton)
    Steel Case Ammunition (printed)
    Prefix: S
    Suffix: X
    Earliest lot number: E. C. S24705X
    Latest lot number:

#4

New information added, including earliest and last lots packed in T2AAD, T2AAA and T2AAF boxes.

I would really appreciate new information on this subject, specially about early 20 round boxes, unconfirmed lots and repacked lots with 4-44 and 9-44 dates.

Regards,

Fede


#5

New update:

  • 3-44 (carton)
    Prefix: -S-
    Earliest lot number: E.C. -S-25092 Repacked E.C.-3-44
    Latest lot number:
    Note: Repacked E.C.-3-44 is rubber stamped.

This is the first example I have found showing a rubber stamped “Repacked E.C.-3-44”. It may be the first box used for repacked ammunition and uses the latest box style without a separating line above “EVANSVILLE ORDNANCE PLANT”. The latter has been noted only with lot numbers between -S-25276 and -S-25288, which is the latest lot number observed so far (see “19th type carton”).

Regards,

Fede


#6

New update:

  • 2nd type (carton)
    Steel Case Ammunition (rubber stamped)
    Earliest lot number: E. C. 24538
    Note: no prefix or suffix


#7

Hello,

Not long after I started this research on Evansville lot numbers, I wondered what happened to the original 50 round cartons that had the cartridges that were later repacked in new boxes between March and August, 1944. Were all scrapped? Were these repacked cartridges never actually placed in cartons but stored in lot identified bulk containers? Well, the answer seemed to be pretty simple, I just needed to find an original carton and a repacked carton with the same lot number. But couldn’t, until now…

Below you can see one of five examples found so far:

Also, given that this cartridge box list became pretty hard to understand, in an intent to simplify things, I prepared a list of all observed lot numbers. I think that this way it would be easier for others to take a look and post an update.

Evansville .45 Ball M1911 Lot Number List (08-08-2017).pdf (75.8 KB)

Regards,

Fede


#8

Great list, Fede. Thanks a lot.