The thread “455 Webley Mk 1`unusual bullet” reminded me of some early German short range loads.
My first hint of a German short range load came from Pistol & Revolver Cartridges (Vol 1) bu White and Munhall where they described a Trolit (Ferrous Sulfide) round ball in a German Zeilpartonen cartridge in 9mmP. Datig’s Vol 2 illustrates such a cartridge on page 59 but the accompaning description of for the common Swedish shortrange with a black plastic bullet containing a steel ball in the tip.
The first hard evidence I encountered for this type load was in the Manual of Pistol and Revolver cartridges by Erlmeier and Brandt which includes a photo of a cartridge (137-20) deacribed as “Before World War I the 9 mm Parabellum Pistol was already a very popular target weapon, and a special target cartridge (catalog number 137-20) was developed, using a solid lead round ball.”
Hans Erlmeier eventually gave me the cartridge from the photo, but to my great disappointment the headstamp was WRA 9M-M (center cartridge below).
Hans explained to me that the round in the photo was actually a reload by/for the New West German Army when it was intially formed. With all the misinformation, I was just about convinced that the Trolit bullet and pre WWI lead bullets were a myth.
In the late 70s or early 80s I saw a load in German collection with a round lead ball headstamped DWM K 2 12, and dismissed it as another post-WWII reload. Then a couple of years later I found an identical load myself (left below) and have since seen two more identical rounds, all dated Feb 1912.
During the same time frame, I visited the Museum at Aberdeen Proving Ground and there in their large display case was a “Polte” board (brown back and clear plastic cover with a loaded cartridge and a cutaway) of a steel case German round (the case color was light gray and gave me the impression that it was from dnh) with a round red plastic bullet. The board was numbered “25” inside the plastic cover. I was later told that the back of the board said
So, round ball training loads were made in Germany from as early as 1912 and as late (as reloads) as the early 1950s, including during WW2.
I have never seen or heard of another WW2 training load except for the board at Abderdeen and I have not seen one made from Ferrous Sulfide (looking at the sectioned bullet at Aberdeen, I’m convinced it was plastic).
Does anyonee have anyone else have anymore information on these loads, or perhaps a decent photo of the board that was at Aberdeen???
Has anyone ever seen a Trolit bullet 9mmP???
Any other German 9mmP rounds with training bullets???
Finally, I also have the load illustrated at right in the photo with the RWS 1932 headstamp. It is probably a reload. the case is a bit beat-up but no ejector marks that I could find. If anyone can shed some light on this round I’d be interested.