German Codes


#1

I am writing my own HEADSTAMP lists as I re-catalogue and do not want to make too many mistakes!!!
So far 121 beginning with A
101 beginning with B + 12 if confirmed

I have found listed 29 German Small Arms Ammunition Manufacturers codes
beginning with b

I have identified 17 of the manufacturers

The other 12 are btn bt bo bp bwq bpt bch bl blu blx bn bm

They are shown as Unknown by Ian. V. Hogg. in German Pistols and Revolvers 1871-1945,

Have they been identified

The 17 are
bqt = Pirotechnische Fabrik Eugen Muller, Vienna
bb = A. Laue & Co., Berlin
byc = Aug Klonne, Bruckenbanstalt, Dortmund
byw = Johannes Schafer Stettiner Schraubenwerk, Stettin
be = Berndorfer Metallwarenfabrik,A Krupp AG Berndorf, Niederdonau
bg = Enzesfelder Metallwerke, Vienna
bc = Kupfer und Messingwerke KG Becker & Co., Langenberg, Rheinland
bk = Metall Walz und Plattierwarenfabrik, Hindrichs Aufferman AG
Wuppertal - Oberbarmen
bd = Metallwerke Fa-Lange AG Abt Bodenbach Sud
bne = Metallwerke Odertal GbmH Odertal post Lautaberg / Harz
bj = Niebecker und Shumaker Iserlohn Westfalen
ba = Sundwiger Messingwerke vorm Gebr von der Becker KG,
Sundwig /Kleis Iserlohn
bh = Waffenwerke Bruhn Ag Pavaska Bystrica, Czechoslovakia
bxn = Sellior & Bellot Vlasm, Czechoslovakia
bnf = Metallwerke Wolfenbuttel GbmH Halchterstr 21
bnd = Machinenfabrik Augsburg- Nurnberg MAN AG
bf = Deutsche Rohenwerke AG Mulheim.

     Terry

#2

when your list will be complete, please reserve one for me!!!


#3

I may be mistaken, but most of those codes are from manufacturers that did not make ammunition at all. Off the top of my head, only “bne” and “bnf” made ammunition and “bxn” is a post-war Czech code. It is my understanding that all manufacturers of military equipment, no matter what and no matter the size of the company, was assigned a code. Many are not associated with ammunition or weapons at all and many have not ever been identified.

AKMS


#4

Hi,

I found most of the codes (didn’t check them all) you were looking for on this link.

radix.net/~bbrown/codes_full.html

Scroll to the bottom and there are alphabetical links.

This is a good resource. I hope it helps you.

Heavyiron


#5

Hi Terry,

To Australia, is


#6

Terry–I agree with some of the comments made above. In many ways you are just repeating already published information from sources that EVERY serious cartridge collector should have. But. if you still want to continue your project, I would suggest one thing I see as a lack in the list you posted above. You are inconsistent with your listing methology. Sometimes you list the country, sometimes you do not. You should ALWAYS show the country, and if possible, the address and the city. It is best to list the country as it was at the time the headstamp was in use. For instance for Czechoslvaka headstamps from WW-II, do not show the country as Slovaka, as that would be misleading.


#7

If I may interfere, I would say that Ian V.Hogg was a prolific (maybe too prolific) writer, who had a good knowledge about weapons and mostly artillery weapons, since he had been in the British Army, but had very few valuable ideas about ammunition, contenting himself to copy and re-copy what he had found in other’s books, errors included, everywhere… I had the occasion to speak about this personnally with him once, and was absolutely upset by his suffisance! so our relationship did not go farther!!!

When he started with the JANE’s, he wrote so many enormities that it was better for the future sake of this book to forget them (for instance, he stated flatly that the 8 mm “Lebel” cartridge was still a service round in the 1990ies French Army!). Later on, he happily left (or was invited to leave…) his position to more competent auhors, like Charlie Cutshaw.

The German reprint (Pawlas) of the German code list is an absolute must, even if it is unhappily uncomplete and stops to th ozz code, the later ones having been lost or destroyed during the IIId Reich last months. The problem being that it does not only list cartridges.

For the codes that you put aside, mostly with the two low case letters, deal mostly about surface treatment of metal (plating, etc) factories. Some other codes should not at all be included in this list, like aym, bxn , etc, which are post WWII Czech.

More, some codes identified later on ,as pas, as a French wartime factory working for Germany is never cited anywhere!

Also the ndn and oma from the German list are not at all for WWII manufacturers of cartridges, but fake codes used later on by the Czechs on ammo destined to Israel, before the Russians changed their mind about this country…The German factories coding ndn or oma were manufacturing I do not know what, but surely not ammunition!

There is a Danish site made by Claude Espeholt, on the net, which is excellent on every kind og German WWII codes.

All the best

PR


#8

I AM PREPARING A LIST OF HEADSTAMPS FOR MY OWN BENEFIT ,AS I HAVE MANY BOOKS, CUTTINGS, NOTES, WEBSITES ETC. TO CHECK WHEN TRYING TO ASSERTAIN THE ORIGIN OF A HEADSTAMP, I AM INCLUDING ANY HEADSTAMPS AT ALL THAT COME FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE, THIS IS TO ATTEMPT TO GIVE ME A ONE STOP SHOP, SO TO SPEAK, CLICK ONTO THE FILE “A” AND HOPEFULLY MOST OF THE ANSWERS FOR A HEADSTAMP BEGINNING WITH “A” WILL BE THERE, I DO NOT SPECIALISE IN GERMAN WW11 AMMO AND WOULD NOT CONSIDER BUYING LITRITURE TO COVER THE CODES AS ALL OF THE GERMAN WW11 CARTRIDGES IN MY COLLECTION HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO INCLUDE THOSE CODES IN MY LISTS FOR THE NEXT 7.92 OR 9MM THAT I PICK UP.
Terry.


#9

Terrry - if none of the sites recommended by other answers to your question are what you are after, some years ago I made3 up a list of all the known small arms ammunition codes. With the help of German friends, I took them from known cartridge specimens, and from the code book pictured in this thread - the real one, not one of the hundreds of gun show lists most of which are terribly inaccurate. My list includes all known ammo codes - it does not list people who made machinery to make ammo, or pyrotechnic (fireworks) items, etc. It was proofread by several top German collectors for accuracy and spelling, etc., and generally is just a selection of codes from the the real German code list, although all but one of the codes past ozz are positively identified, and one (“pae” which is Polish for sure) is tentatively identified as to which of the two factories made it.

If you send me a PM with your mailing address, I will mail you a copy of it.

I do agree though, that you should try to obtain the book mentioned in this thread. No one with any interest in German WWII era arms and ammunition should be without it.

John Moss