German WWII shotshells


#1

All the german shotshells made during wwii have a steel base.
And, whatever the manufacturer, they have in the hstp "normal"
What is the meaning of “normal” ?
thanks
JP


#2

Usually the term NORMAL, (or the letter N on the hstp for cartridges shot by sport rifled weapons) means “Normalisiert”, i.e. to standard case and chamber dimensions.

Philippe


#3

[quote=“philippe regenstreif”]Usually the term NORMAL, (or the letter N on the hstp for cartridges shot by sport rifled weapons) means “Normalisiert”, i.e. to standard case and chamber dimensions.

Philippe[/quote]

Hello
you are right philippe, but it is not the case for shotshells in germany.
Indeed they have been normalised since 1913 to the international standard.
Therefore no need to writte “normal” 30 years after.

In france, from 1923 to 1940, you are right, they used normal on the hstp when the dimensions were the international ones.(because the french standard dimensions were different).
And they writte a N in a rectangle as a proof mark on the guns.

The term Normal is to be used carefully.
In Austria, for exemple it was to designed the old Austrian standard (equal to the french Thick Rim).
JP


#4

The “Normalpatrone” was a standardized round, intended to bring some clarity into a world full of catridge names which were not alltogether clear anymore.

The phrase ‘Normal’ or ‘Normalrand’ was also used for catridges that had an average strength paper catridge construction, opposed to the later catridges with softer paper side walls. The newer rounds could produce failures, jams, extracting difficulties when used in shotguns designed around the older ‘Normalrand’ catridge.

Schwachrand and Starkrand were other phrases used to differentiate between the different shotshell types.

Source: Richard Marholdt’s ‘Waffen Lexicon’, published in 1937.


#5

Thanks Vlim,

In Germany (1937 and before) there were 3 different dimensions for each gauge, mostly differencied by their rim.

  • Schwach rand (thin rim) which has been in use since 1913
  • Normal rand (middle rim) which was an old standard
  • Stark rand (thick rim) which was also an old standard

You mistook reading (translating) the Waffen Lexicon.

  1. "The “Normalpatrone” was a standardized round, intended to bring some clarity into a world full of catridge names which were not alltogether clear anymore."
    This is relative to ctges, not to shotshells.

  2. " The newer rounds (he talks here about the schwach rand) could produce failures, jams, extracting difficulties when used in shotguns designed around the older ‘Normalrand’ catridge."
    JP