Gevelot 9mm Bayard Cartridges


#1

Hi- I have a box of Gevelot cartridges the are in a box of 25 and though they look like 9mm luger but are not the same. The box is yellow and says: 25 cartouches pour Pistolet Automatique “Bayard” Calibre 9mm. 50 Rue Ampere Paris. They have what looks like a nickel plated ball style bullet and the case is simply labeled GEVELOT 9mm with two stars. Anyone know what these shells are for and how old they are? thanks, matt


#2

Your Gevelot 9mm Bayard cartridges are caliber 9mm Court (9mm short; .380 auto). the temptation when seeing a report of a box marked “Bayard” is to identify them as being of caliber 9 x 23mm Bergmann-Bayard caliber. However, French boxes for that caliber are marked “STAR” while they marked the .380 boxes as 9mm Bayard. the firm of anciens Etablissements Pieper, in Belgium, made a nice, very small .380 auto under their Bayard (a mounted Knight) trademark, hence the French designation for the cartridge.

I happen to have both the Bayard and the Star boxes in my own collection, so it didn’t matter here, but it is always helpful when you want a cartridge identified to give all measurements. In the case of auto pistol rounds, at least the caliber (9mm in this case) and the case length (17mm in this instance).


#3

Thanks for the information. I bought these some years ago, thinking they would work in my Bergman-Baynard, but as you point out they are too short so i just kept them. Any idea how old they are? Here are a couple picture links:

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#4

Hi,
The type of the paper wrapping the box is indicating a manufacture between 1952 -1979
HAND
phil