Green Tip Tracer for 84mm Carl Gustav subcaliber


#1

Tne link below shows a Green tip subcaliber tracer being fired from a 9mm sub-caliber round for the M2 84mm Carl Gustav recoilless rifle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4v1_byHetI

I don’t recall ever seeing a green tip subcaliber tracer. Any ideas!!!

The video is by Ordnance.com, but their website is being rebuilt. They also have another video showing the same tracer being used for the M136 AT4 9mm sub-caliber training unit. I wonder if these guys are just using a commercial green tip tracer from a US commercial source.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=linZrCRS3t0&nohtml5=False

Any thoughts?

Cheers
Lew


#2

Lew, all here looks like a non military environment. Let alone that they fired the 84mm CG subcal device with a hammer. My guess would be on any 9x19 tracer these people could get hands on.
Means if there are commercial green tipped tracers existing it is most likely what we saw there.


#3

The Factory CG 84mm subcalibre device uses a 6,5x55 (M41) Special tracer ( White tip, half Peacock Green base.)

Any “9mm” system is obviously an aftermarket (el-cheapo) contraption.

Doc AV


#4

[quote=“EOD”]Lew, all here looks like a non military environment. Let alone that they fired the 84mm CG subcal device with a hammer. My guess would be on any 9x19 tracer these people could get hands on.
Means if there are commercial green tipped tracers existing it is most likely what we saw there.[/quote]

I’m pretty sure NAM and Piney Mtn both make green, just to name two.


#5

[quote=“DocAV”]The Factory CG 84mm subcalibre device uses a 6,5x55 (M41) Special tracer ( White tip, half Peacock Green base.)

Any “9mm” system is obviously an aftermarket (el-cheapo) contraption.

Doc AV[/quote]

Here is just one example of official military use of a 9mm subcaliber trainer system. The U.S. Military currently fields the AT-4 an 84mm shoulder fired AT weapon, cheaper disposable alternative to the M3 Carl Gustav 84mm shoulder fired AT weapon. The AT-4 system employed by the U.S. includes a 9mm subcaliber trainer, see a discussion on the ammunition here: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10543

For examples of Swedish 9mm subcaliber tracers used with the various models of the Swedish Pskott (74mm M72 LAW) trainer systems and various models of the Carl Gustav 84mm “9mm practice weapon 4 for GRG m/48B, m/48C” see: amkat.se/index.php?Env=Ammo& … ame=Tracer


#6

[quote=“DocAV”]The Factory CG 84mm subcalibre device uses a 6,5x55 (M41) Special tracer ( White tip, half Peacock Green base.)

Any “9mm” system is obviously an aftermarket (el-cheapo) contraption.

Doc AV[/quote]

Actually there are at least 4 calibers used depending on customers and time periods:
6.5x55
7.62x51
9x19
20x145 (do not confuse with 20x145R M40)


#7

Thanks for the Update on Subcalibres for the CG 84mm…Since we had them back in the 1970s, it was only in 6,5x55 In Aussie Service. Things do move on…

Showing my age, and ignorance of developments in Man Portable Antitank Devices…

Doc AV


#8

Did you notice the guy in the last video, holding his hand in front of the launcher all the time while loading it and charging the firing pin???

Anyway, here’s a box of 9mm for the M-72 used in Norway:

And the 21mm practice rocket, also for the M-72:

And 7.62 x 51 boxes for the 84mm Carl Gustav:

The FFV553B:

And the practice tracer:

A bunch of 6.5mm, the hvitetipped one third from the right upper corner with half the head black is the subcaliber one. I guess you all know that the half black mark on the head means reduced range:


#9

[quote=“psg1”]Did you notice the guy in the last video, holding his hand in front of the launcher all the time while loading it and charging the firing pin???

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Yup! I cringed… This recent video is a great reminder why you don’t!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMGPpVtO1vw
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