Help ID Russian Rounds


#1

Need help with ID of some Russian rounds.
The first 2 rounds on left are silenced (I think), a 5.45 underwater?, rimmed brass narrow brass case that has 2 dots on it for head stamp, and another silenced on the end (maybe).
Thanks


#2

9.1x93 PFAM (“combat”, if so then fired here) or PMAM (propelling), both silent
7.62x42 SP-4 (silent)
5.45x39 PSP-UD practice load
4.5x40R SPS (fired)
7.62x63 PZAM (silent)


#3

Kevin links to Russian sites where they are described superficially will be useful?


#4

Is this real? Has a bit of a fake look to it.


#5

Jon, it is perfectly fine.


#6

Alex, the projectile is correct, but have you ever seen one of these rounds with a red neck sealant? Looks like it was assembled using a case taken from another cartridge. Kevin, what is the headstamp?


#7

Fede, well observed!
Actually all original cases I have seen in the past were quite well scratched as some bright bulb held it with pliers while he pulled it off the projectiles which seemingly were squeezed into a vice (without cussioning - making the bulb even brighter).
So it can very well be that some “inventive” person replaced the original case with a random 5.45x39 case.
Knowing the headstamp (including photo) would help here as original cases also have a distinct primer crimp.


#8

17/02 So wrong case. Projectile pulls out pretty easy up until that final band at the end. I have a book but its all in Russian. 2007 and Factory #539 are mentioned a lot but not sure what else it says.

It also states there is another variety that has a double band and lacks the copper plating on the first half of the projectile.

Thanks for the help.


#9

Kevin, the all brass projectile is the practice variant. The steel with partial copper plating is the combat variant.

Your “17 02” hs is about 100% incorrect as by 2002 the round did not exist.