Today I have found this two shells in northern Israel in a battlefield from 1948
The top one appears to be an Iraqi made .303 British, dated 1938.
Dimension of the case and ‘side on’ pictures will assist in the ID of all of them
The caliber can’t be measured unfortunately.
Why would the British made ammo with arabic numbers?
Do you know something about the second one?
Just a guess That second one is an 8mm and as it seems is stamped with
the Polish eagle perhaps the ones with more profound knowledge of that
Cal can give an opinion.
Nadav - you misunderstood Mayhem. The cartridge is caliber .303 British, but made in Iraq.
Many different countries have made the .303 British cartridge, called that because it originated in England. Some countries, such as Italy and Japan for example, refer to it as the 7.7 mm Rimmed.
Your second case was made in 1936 in Poland, and is a 7.9 x 57 mm case. The “67” on the headstamp refers to a brass case made with 67% copper. The figure at the top is the Polish Eagle, representing the loading factory and “DZ” is the case-metal supplier. I don’t have the factory name close at hand, nor a list of the case-metal suppliers. I will let a 7.9 specialist identify those for you.
Thanks for adding in the ‘side on’ picture to your original post. This confirms the top one is a .303 British. As John pointed out a number of countries have made produced this ammunition over the years. I currently have .303 British rounds that have been made in Australia, Belgium, Canada, Czechoslovakia, Finland, France, Greece, India, Iraq, Italy, Lithuania, Japan, New Zealand, Pakistan, Poland, Portugal, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, USA and of course, the UK.
ID Polish case - perfect. I am wondering WHO has sent Polish ammunition to Israel, pre-war. Because Poland certainly is not. The Germans took everything during IIWW.
Ammunition for both the underground army (Haganah) and the newly formed State of Israel (1948) came from various sources all over pre-war and Post-war Europe, mostly by smuggling.
Between 1945 and 1950, ammo came out of Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Italy, France etc. Which had stocks of German Wehrmacht ammo, both German, and other countries make.
So a Polish cartridgecase, would not be strange in Israel at that time.
The Iraqi made cartridge would have been used by either Iraqi troops or the Jordanian Arab Legion, also involved in the 1948 Arab-Israeli war.
I did some research and found out that it was a battle between Iraqi troops and a Jewish settlement.
I knew that all of Europe sent ammunition, but I did not think that anything else of the pre-war Polish left after the war. Another curiosity explained,
Thanks to Doc AV
Prior to Israel’s adoption of 7.62x51 in the 1950s, pre-war and wartime 7.92x57 were commonly found in IDF use.