Horizontal pinfire shell W.Collath Söhne Frankfurt a/Oder


#1

Everything about it is unusual. Tomorrow I’ll post good photos of primer well so my question will become more clear.


#2

[quote=“sksvlad”]Everything about it is unusual. Tomorrow I’ll post good photos of primer well so my question will become more clear.
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unusual because it is an horizontal pinfire shotshell
exist as 0,1,3,4,5,6,7,8 gauge (yours is 3)
jp


#3

Thank you for IDing my puzzle. If it is gauge 3, wouldn’t it be bigger? Like size 10 is bigger that 12? Also, what does it say on the side? Very difficult to read on mine. Something like “Original Fabrikant”?




Top wads - little summary from IAA forum
#4

[quote=“sksvlad”]Thank you for IDing my puzzle. If it is gauge 3, wouldn’t it be bigger? Like size 10 is bigger that 12? Also, what does it say on the side? Very difficult to read on mine. Something like “Original Fabrikant”?
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here is an approximate conversion

0 10
1 12
3 14
4 16
5 18
6 20
7 24
8 28

jp


#5

Note that this Frankfurt is “Frankfurt an der Oder” (Frankfurt a/O); the better-known one is “Frankfurt am Main” (Frankfurt a/M). Jack


#6

[quote=“jeanpierre”][quote=“sksvlad”]Thank you for IDing my puzzle. If it is gauge 3, wouldn’t it be bigger? Like size 10 is bigger that 12? Also, what does it say on the side? Very difficult to read on mine. Something like “Original Fabrikant”?
[/quote]

here is an approximate conversion

0 10
1 12
3 14
4 16
5 18
6 20
7 24
8 28

jp[/quote]

[color=#0000BF]Is it the info you wanted ???
jp[/color]


#7

Yes, thank you. I also wanted to see the writing on the side of the shell, on the blue paper. Mine is very difficult to read. I went to Municion.org to see more, since it is an old European shell, and Spain is in Europe, only to find out, to my great amazement, that I was the 1st person providing them with such images.


#8

I don’t have this blue one. But is it blue or green ??
Are you sure it is not written TESCO ??

Go to the municion.otg forum and you will see other Collath ctges : green paper (black powder), red paper (smokeless powder), white paper and different hstps.

the hstps found can be for example :
1 W.Collath Söhne 1 Frankfurt A/o
W.Collath Frankfurt AO 1
stars with gauge number
aso

It is not because you have a shotshell with such hstp it means it is an horizontal pin fire.
Collath indeed made also central fire shotshells with the same hstps

Regarding the conversion to regular gauges, there was an article in IAA not too long ago where a guy was comparing Collath ctges dimensions with regular 10, 12, aso gauges.

It was a good idea except it is all wrong.
Indeed the guy took dimensions of 10, 12, aso gauges from nowadays and didn’t know the dimensions were not the same in the old times.

JP


#9

Hi

I search information about headstamps and markings ammunition made by Teschner-Collath

In link is list of headstamps ammunition which I found in internet
http://pl.scribd.com/doc/130914719/-ZNAKOWANIETESCHNERCOLLAT-pdf

Maybe somebody possesses photos ammo, catalogues and other materials relating activities of firm.

PJB


#10

Nothing by all week? This is impossible ;)

In expectation on affirmative answer, little piece of gossip:


from: https://plus.google.com/110805968438842360418/posts?banner=pwa


from:http://www.panoramio.com/photo/42812328?tag=


#11

There’s something wrong with those two photos of a Gewehr Fabrik. The building in the fore-ground, supposedly shown years apart, the bottom picture having a very modern automobile parked in front of it, have bushes and trees that are abaolutely identical in both pictures. Impossible!


#12

:)
Of course second picture this is photomontage, on one picture connected old postcard with picture present day this place.

PJB


#13

Hi Piotr, this is a very extensive subject but here is an exceprt from the G. Teschner & Co. 1928 catalog:

Also, cases of red color were made for smokeless powder and green for blackpowder.


#14

Yes!!! Many thanks for You :)

This headstamps is from my collection:

http://polishammohistory.pl.tl/Teschner_Collath-Frankfurt-a-.-O-.-.htm
(thanks for iKRG)

and… this I have from Roland Semik - this is picture of Franz Collath grave plate on lapidarium in Słubice
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/PiotrBochynski/media/FranzCollath1876-1942InhaberderGewehrfabrik_zps2ef47791.jpg.html

This picture I found on page forum nitroexpress.com
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=107196&an=0&page=1

PJB


#15

Hi Pjotr,

here are some pictures out of my collection.
Sorry for the bad pictures.



Headstamps correspond with the cases on following picture.
On the last picture we see on the third green case
G.M. 57 325 Gesetzlich Geschutzt!

Can anybody tell me what it means?

regards rené


#16

G M stands for “Gebrauchsmuster” which is a German specialty and a sort of small patent, comparable to a trademark.
If some technical design cannot be patented, under certain circumstances a Gebrauchsmuster can be obtained. It protects the company from copies made by the competition. The time is much shorter than for a patent. “Gesetzlich Geschützt” simply means protected by law.


#17

JPeelen,

Many thanks for this explanation.

René


#18

Thanks René for pictures this so are more better from my one little piece of metal :)

PJB


#19

Second part about headstamps ammo made by T&C
http://pl.scribd.com/doc/133345847/TESCHNER-COLLATH-ZNAKOWANIE-AMUNICJI-KULOWEJ-pdf
(picture headstamps is from internet)

PJB