Id 9x19


#1

This cartridge my summer sold as Swiss ?


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#2

Bonsoir JP,

it is a [color=#0000FF]Czechoslovak [/color]post WW2 9mm experimental. You will note it is not as [color=#FF0000]conical [/color]as a 9 Para would be. [color=#0000FF]If I remember well it was made by PS.[/color]

Salutations,

Hans

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#3

… it is not in Smatana’s book and I don’t find it in my notes now. Can anyone please confirm?


#4

This cartridge is not a true 9mm Parabellum cartridge. The 9mm Para has a tapered case. This cartridge was designed specifically for the experimantal ZB-47 machine pistol made by Brno and has a straight case. The steel case version is not particularly rare but is a true experimental cartridge. A brass case version of this cartridge exists which is quite scarce.

The ZB-47, also known as the Samopal 47, was designed by Václav Holek in two variations. Ten guns were chambered for the straight case 9mm nábojù-Válcových pictured above, and ten were made 9mm Parabellum.

Cheers,

Lew


#5

Thank you for this identification


#6

Lew, how does the brass cased one do look like?


#7

I have only seen two and don’t have one in my collection. They are very ordinary unheadstamped brass cases with a GM bullet. It takes a measurement to identify them.

Cheers,

Lew


#8

Lew, thank you for this valuable info!


#9

As always I post and then learn something new!

I just got an email from a Slovak friend, Jan Franzen who sent me photos of THREE variations of this cartridge. I had never heard of the plain steel case variation.


Cheers,

Lew


#10

Unfortunately, I can’t imagine noticing that round, unless one were specifically looking for it. Thanks for bringing it to mind.


#11

A friend just wrote me to tell us that these cartridges were not made by PS, but Rather by Sellier & Bellot at the Vlasim factory. The box for the reddish steel case load is dated November 1947 and is marked from Vlasim, which is S & B. This according to the box label and also a Czech-language article by Jan Skramoussky from the August 1999 edition of the Czech magazine “Strelecky Magazin.”

Lew


#12

Lew, you bring up more details now than what could be learnt from European shows.


#13

Lew, thank you once more.