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#1

HI All

I got this round. Head dia = 0.669, 2.521 long, Lead bullet, dia = about 0.440. Made of thin brass. Primer - copper. Found in the River Thames in London. I can not find anything about him. No HS. I appreciate every information

Thanks

Rufus

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#2

Looks like a rolled case 577/450 Martini Henry with the steel rim rusted away.


#3

There is nothing steel. Everything is non-magnetic. But actually the similarity is great. I’m curious about the lack of rimm. There are no traces of removal. It will probably be 577 Martini. But after the passages :-)

Thanks Orange !


#4

I agree with Orange it is a MH. The original rim is undercut / beveled around the primer pocket / cap chamber / rivet so that the “flap” will be even with the base / head of the case. You can see where the rivet / cap chamber “flap” is bent upwards, this would allow the rim to detach, even before it had a chance to rust away.

That is a very neat Abraham & Bayless pat. shot shell, 1st one of those I’ve seen. Should you wish to part with it ? Please let me know.

I’ve heard the story that Herby Woodend dumped his first ammunition collection into the Thames. Perhaps this was part of it?


#5

Rafal, the teel part (disc) forming the rim is completely gone, this is what Orange tried to say.


#6

I think so too that 100 years in the river has done its job.
I will not part with Abraham for now :-) I see that this is a rare thing. Cases I got from a friend from London. He is a Mudlark :-)
Does anyone have any pictures and dimensions of the length of the case?