Id paper nonheadstamped rnds

Pls help identify these 2 rnds

the one with the patched bullet is .395 diam and the case lenghth is 1.7
The other is .445diam and 1.9
Any help would be greatly appreciated

Here are some pics of the bases

ive searched through several cartridge books but no luck

Going off of the pictures and the measurements given, I believe the paper-patched round is a .40-50 necked Sharps and the other is a .43 Egyptian. Both appear to have been manufactured by UMC.

Thank you so much i had bought a small assortment and other than a linen cartridge and those 2 i was able to identify the rest i was on the right track with the sharps but was in another galaxy with that 43 Egyptian thanks again