Identify 9mm cases

I just came across two empty 9mm cases that I would like to identify as maker and country. All your help would be appreciated #1- HOTSHOT 9mm 1 #2 AMMOLOAD 9MM LUGER

If you use the “search” button on the IAA forum site (top right of page), it reveals info on both:

Ray, If the headstamp is just “HOTSHOT 9mm” please post a photo of the headstamp or contact me at the email link below.

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Thanks for the help