IDs? (.50-70)


#1

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Hi; I would like help to ID these two cartridges.
#1 Rimmed/straight case
Bullet=.492
Neck =.526
Base =.563
Rim = .654
Case = 1.760
Overall = 2.276
#2 Rimmed case with slight shoulder
Bullet=.491
Neck =.518
Shoulder= .548
Base = .564
Rim = .659
Case = 1.832
Overall = 2.30
Thanks for any help that can be given.


#2

The case length of the second one is a bit long, but I believe both are .50-70 Springfields.


#3

I would agree that they appear to be .50-70’s. Since these headspace on the rim, slight differences in case length mean little as long as the overall length aproximetaly is correct.


#4

I would agree. The #2 is a Winchester head & #1 UMC.


#5

Thanks to Guy, Ron and Pete for helping me on this pair. Can you tell me, are these military rounds and do you have any idea when they would date?


#6

Military?
the .50-70 was a military developed rnd. As to these two rounds they were made by UMCCo & WRACo. They could have been part of a contract to help supply the military or the Guard, but one would have to see the box they came from to know for certain. The UMC was made for a reasonably long time with this style balloon head case, while the WRACo used this style head only for a short time, which was early.


#7

You may need to see the crate to determine if a box of ammo is military contract as some of the contract boxes have a commercial look. Here’s a UMC box from an 1873 dated contract crate.