ID's on 12.7mm "blank" and 14mm spotter


#1

Hello everyone,
Looking for an ID on these two rounds, one a 12.7mm “blank” and the other a 14mm “spotter” cartridge.

I have seen the 12.7mm cartridge before on the RussianAmmo website, and it is listed as a Czech tool cartridge however it seems to be a blank as it has powder or a simulant in it. Other than that website I have not found it otherwise.
Headstamp: 0Z0 81
Total length: 58.50mm

The other cartridge was labeled as a 14mm spotter round. This one I have no idea on and cant find anything on.
Case length: 19.73
Total length: 64.62
Diameter: 14mm
Headstamp: BXH 64

Thank you very much!
Rhys !

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#2

Rhys,

The first cartridge is a Czech military 12.7x59mm blank (based on a 12.7x108mm case) for the OZ-B50 “Beranidlo” railroad nail driving tool.

Info from Soviet Cannon, Chris Koll, 2009; p. 72.

Brian


#3

The second cartridge appears to be a Czech version of the 14.5x20mmR Kleinstkanone, originally developed in Germany in 1934 as a sub-caliber artillery training cartridge. The headstamp is probably " bxn 64 " and not " BXH 64 ".

Information is from an IAA Journal article by Will Reuter entitled “The 14.5x51R Spotter”, IAA Journal #470, Nov./Dec. 2009, page 4.

Brian


#4

Brian, I must clarify that the purpose indicated in this book is not correct, because it was not made for a nail driver in order to repair railroad tracks. It was used in powder actuated rammer (pile ram) used to drive a pile into the subsoil with repeated strikes. Headstamp code is “czo” (Vsetín).

Regards,

Fede


#5

The 14.5mm actually is none. This one here has a slightly necked case and it is a load for a kiln gun.


#6

I can also add that “bxn” (Blanické strojírny) manufactured the case, but the cartridge was made by “dtp” (Vlárské strojírny).


#7

Wow that is not what I expected either cartridge to be! Thank you very much everyone!
I will have to do some further research on the “Beranidlo”, a quick google search brings up some interesting links. One appears to be the device Fede mentioned. Almost like a jackhammer but it seems to be some type of pile ram to compact soil!

As for the 14mm cartridge, I have heard and seen the German Kleinskanone but not this cartridge (or heard of it).

EOD, can you clarify if this is for the Kleinstkanone, or is it for a Kiln gun?


#8

Spaceinvader, affirmative, it is for a kiln gun.


#9

Thanks EOD, would you by chance know the gun its for? I couldnt find anything online, if not no worries.

Thank you all for you help, I would never have gotten them on my own!

The 12.7mm is very interesting and will be staying with me, as for the 14mm cartridge most likely not.


#10

The kiln gun used with this round seems to be very limited in use (and public interest).
I have no real info on this one as it is not in my scope.

Maybe our Czech or Slovak members here can tell us more.


#11

Here is a picture of the Czechoslovakian kiln gun:

C


#12

Thanks for the picture Fede, quite interesting looking!