Interesting 7.92x33 box and rounds


#1

Recently I saw a box of these rounds with 5 extras. What caught my eye was that one of the rounds in the box was an “SB - 1 46”. I once had a full box of these, but this year I traded off my next to last one. A very good round and worth about 5 times what I paid for the box.

Beside the SB hst the box had one dou-St 6 44 hst loaded with a GMCS bullet and the rest were dou-St 14 44, and assorted dou-St ? 45, all with CNCS bullets.

The five seperate rounds three oxo-St 4 44 and two de-St 2 45, all with GMCS bullets.

Box and contents are shown below.

Are any of these or more than average value (except of course the SB hst’ed round)?

The Czech label is interesting. I don’t know what the 1955 date means but it seems pretty late, even for a repack.

Cheers,
Lew


#2

At one time, the “de” headstamped Kurzpatronen were very scarce and expensive for the times. Later, they seemed to start showing up more and more, although still in a smaller percentage than most of the other maker-codes on this caliber. I think “kam” is not super common either. Just my impression from the small collection of Kurz I had as a sideline to my 7.9 x 57 mm collection. Almost comical - 12,600 7.9 x 57 and about 45 7.92 Kurz, but then I was only really after one specimen of each basic headstamp, though I cheated just a little with some format variations. I had a grenade blank 7.9 x 33 once, but I traded it a few years after I got it because it was the only way I could get a very rare 7.9 x 57! Shows how I rated the Kurz collection in relation to the Mauser collection.


#3

The Czechs Kept on making 7,9 Kp43 well into the 1950s, as they had large numbers of MP/StG 44s in stock from the End of the war. The Honour Guard at Mazaryck’s funeral carried them (1948) and despite the advent of Communism and Rationalization from 7,9 calibres to 7,62 x39 etc by 1957, the Czech Socialist Army maintained its share of 7,9 calibre weaponry (x57 and x33). Parts were made for the Sturmgewehrs, and stocks of “unfinished” Parts were assembled into New Guns 1945-50 or so…some going to DDR (East Germany).

S&B Being the Major ammo making concern in the Czech state before and after WW II, was probably used to test and “repack” stocks of ex-German ammo as well as their own New Manufacture.

Doc AV


#4

Doc - what is the documentation for the statement “The Czechs kept making 7.9Kp43 well into the 1950s…” The well-researched book “Die deutsche Kurzpatrone 7.92x33” by Dr. Dieter Kapell, pages 186 to 189, document only two post-WWII Czech rounds, one with no headstamp and the other with SB 1946-dated headstamp, both well known. I, personally, have never seen or heard of any Czech production of this caliber past 1946. Perhaps some of our members who specialize in this caliber have? I only had a very small, basic collection of them as an adjunct to my 7.9 x 57 mm collection, but I did have both of the Czech rounds to which I referred.

They certainly did, however, repack WWII ammunition.

If able, and such rounds exist, please post pictures of their headstamps, or documentation referring to them.

My own feeling is that if they were still using weapons in that caliber and had no further supplies of ammunition for them, they probably obtained it from the DDR, although I have no documentation for that either. Kõnigswartha (04) produced the cartridge from 1958 to 1961, including several forms or dummy rounds and a blank. There was cooperation between the CSR (CSSR from c.1960) and the DDR in the areas of arms and ammunition.

Edited to correct typo error in date of SB headstamp referenced in my answer.


#5

I like the Sb 46 a lot -

I have a half dozen of the Czech repacks, but mine all have the same WW2 maker code/headstamp 15 rounds inside.

The box factory date 44 and sift (whatever that means - Vytříděno) date 55 are the same as yours - as is the hand written 6 months below.

Kam (HASAG Hugo Schneider) is the code I haven’t located for my small collection yet.