Italian 6.5x52 WW1 era


#1

I have an small article from 1915 that says USCCo. had a contract for 6 million Italian machine gun cartridges, with no caliber specified. I will admit that at first I just assumed 9mmG was being discussed. Then I remembered that Italy had two 6.5 caliber machine guns, the seldom seen Perino and the Fiat-Revelli Model 14 .

As far as I can tell, this contract did not come to fruition.

Where the Italians shopping for a source for 6.5 during that time period ?

Can anyone elaborate on this or any other Italian contracts in the U.S. during that period ?


#2

As far i can tell standard mlitary 6.5 mm carcano ammunition was used in rifles and machineguns.

There’s no “machine gun” ball loadings that differ from standard rifle ball ones


#3

Pivi,

Ammunition “type” aside, are you aware of any cartridges made outside of Italy in that time frame ?


#4

I am not aware of any 6.5 mm cartridges made outside Italy during WWI ( 1914 - 1918)

Before those years Carcano ammunition was listed in DWM ( ca. 1900 - 1904) and SFM catalogs. SFM listed this cartridge in their 1900 catalog, and 1903 & 1909 drawings by SFM exist too.


#5

If the USCCo article is correct, and order for “machinegun cartridges” would mean they were packed in 50 Round Boxes, rather than the 18 round, three-clip packets.( for rifles and carbines).

The Reveilli M1914 especially, used a 50 round Box (cardboard) for ammo, as it was used to fill a single “mousetrap” Magazine ( Box with 10x5 round “columns”) which fed through the Gun…The Carton design was again used in the 1950s, for repacking 6,5 cartridges for Surplus sale ( brown pasteboard, string closure, cartridge nesting inside of die-cut card again).

The Perino used a Tray type feed system, similar to the Hotchkiss, but I don’t know how many rounds were in a tray ( maybe 25?) Again, a 50 round Box would have been “Machine Gun Ammo”

USCCo. also had other large “6,5mm” orders in 1915 and 16 ( Netherlands and Roumania (sic)) but these were in 6,5x53R (Rimmed Mannlicher) Cartridges.

Italy in WW I did order (from USA) Components in 10,4 Vetterli and also 9mm Glisenti ammo.

Regards,
Doc AV


#6

Could it be for 8mm Breda MG?

gravelbelly


#7

Dave,
not during WWI


#8

[quote=“Pivi”]Dave,
not during WWI[/quote]
Ah! Next time I should engage brain before touching the keyboard!

gravelbelly