Kynoch .50 Browning Export

Sometimes it seems that loose ends meet … no?

Back in 2005 I’ve picked up this case:


The lettering repeats on the opposite side of the case wall. Back then I wasn’t able to ID it clearly. Best guess was that it was made by Kynoch for export. Accepting this, I’ve stored it away for years. Later I’ve checked Fuchs .50 Cal. reference book with no result and stored it away again.

About 10 years after finding the case I got this box:

Matching no military box (from my poor knowledge), this box should also be for export and was stored away.

Finally I stumbled today across the identical lot designation.
The case and the box are both from Denmark. So, I’m pretty sure that there is a connection.

Can someboy truely confirm that case and box are indeed exports of Kynoch?

I think your hunches are possibly correct. The fact that there address is stamped on the box would seem export to me. I do not think the headstamp signifies export, just not homeland standard military contract. Ron mentions in his notes a source of Hugh Furse in the U.K. for some of the exact headstamped rounds with different lot stampings on the casings. Maybe if you track down his contact info you can find out more.

Joe

I saw the exact box design with HPT loads (Copper washed brass cases) and “K” headstamps which also came from Denmark.
I think it is sure to consider these as export to Denmark (and maybe others).

I’ve attached for info, images of four more cartridge types with the ‘.50 K’ headstamp from Eley Ltd, the subsidiary of IMI (Kynoch) Ltd., that operated the Witton plant at the time. I believe around the mid 80’s this style headstamp (and ink lot markings on the case wall) was used for both export contracts and the ever reducing British government contracts.The real purpose of these generic headstamps was that large batches of cases could be made with identical markings, and then loaded, often with a variety of loads, when required in small batches, and the Lot details added later, at time of loading, for practical reasons of finance. Peter Labbett (& F.A.Brown) in the Technical Ammunition Guide, Series 2, Pamphlet 11, indicate that some of the inked lot markings also included the specific ‘L’ model, with a drawing of an L13A1 so marked. He commented that this sort of marking was unpopular both with export customers, and particularly with the British MoD. The attached image shows (left to right):-

  1. .50 Eley Ltd APHC/I load with inked lot number
  2. .50 Eley Ltd Ball (presumably M33K load) with inked lot number
  3. .50 Eley Ltd u/k load with a small black tip over a larger dark purple tip (showing a purple ring) which appears to be a ‘factory dummy’ load (new unprimed berdan case, no propellant). There is no inked lot number for this one, presumably as it wouldn’t be needed on a dummy. Any ideas as to the bullet type?
  4. .50 Eley Ltd Blank (with water proofing gum at the tip of the petals). No inked markings visible.

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Muskey,

Thanks for the information.

Brian

Another white Kynoch box:

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This box is from Great Britain, so probably no export box.
The cardboard corpus is identical. But there are differences to the box I’ve shown here before. For example, the label is attached as a sticker (no ink stamp). And the P. O. Box number is different in the address.
Is there a specialist who knows when this number has changed? This would be helpful to date the box.

Defender, I saw such white “proof” boxes in Denmark! Just the word “proof” was stamped in red and could have been done to a regular “ball” box. The cases were Copper washed Brass.

Mathias, when Eley Limited was incorporated in 1982 their P. O. Box number was 216, but by 1983 it was already changed to 705.

I should add that the “Eley, P.O. Box 216” address was used as early as August 1977, when the company name still was Imperial Metal Industries (Kynoch) Ltd., and also after 1978, when the name was changed to IMI Kynoch Limited.

Regards,

Fede

I’m sure we can’t construe that white boxes with the address on it are for export as I have white boxes with address for X7E1 experimental BAT rounds, XL13E1 experimental spotting rounds and LIAI drill rounds.
Obviously with the X,XL and L designations they are for the UK military…the only box I have that isn’t white is a L11A2 standard ballistic observing rounds which is buff with orange lable.
However I do think defenders box is for export as it does not have the L12A1 (proof) designation marked on it

Tony

Thanks to all for the very much helpful replies!