Lesmok?


#1

Does anyone remember when WRACO introduced LESMOK powder in the centerfire line? I seem to recall it was available from 1911-1914, for 3 or 4 years only. But, I cannot find it in my references at this time, and I’m not trusting my memory.


Lesmok Powder Question
#2

Tony–I can not speak for Winchester, but “Lesmoke” was never loaded by U.M.C. It was first loaded by Remington-UMC in 1911 and had been discontinued before 1917. I have the 1911-12 (combined) and 1913-14 (combined) catalogs but do not have the 1915 or 1916 catalogs. No “Lesmoke” loads are listed in the 1917 catalog.

The 1911-12 catalog lists .25-20 Win. & Mar. (Repeater)(86gr. FN Lead), .32 Winchester (100gr. FN Lead), .38 Winchester (180gr. FN Lead and .44 Winchester (200gr. FN Lead).

In the 1913-14 catalog, all of the above were still listed [color=#FF0000]EXCEPT the .44 Winchester (200gr. FN Lead)[/color]. It was only available in Black Powder or Smokeless. Plus, the following were listed as NEW: .32 Win. (90gr. HP , Wooden End Shot with #10 Shot) and .32-20 Shot, Long Case (#10 Shot) (This was the extended neck, all brass shot load), .38 Win. (150gr. HP Lead), .44 Win. Wooden End Shot (#5-12 + Dust Shot sizes), .44 Marble Game Getter (#5-12 + Dust Shot sizes) and .44 XL (#5-12 + Dust Shot sizes).


#3

Tony,
According to Dan Shuey, in his book W.R.A. CO. Headstamped Cartridges And Their Variations Volume I ( wcfpublications.com )…
1911 - Lesmok was first loaded in Winchester Cartridges
1918 - Lesmok last offered in Winchester centerfire cartridges

By comparison, King’s Semi-Smokeless (Competitor to DuPont’s Lesmok) was first loaded in PETERS cartridges in 1898 up until the 1930’s.

Ron,
Thank you for the REM-UMC info.

Merry Christmas,
w30wcf


#4

Got it. So that’s 1911-1918 for wraco. thanks!


#5

The October 1911 catalog first listed Lesmok for centerfire and rimfire. Centerfire was discontinued in 1918. This according to Winchester Shotshells & Metallic Ammunition by G. R. Watrous.


#6

Thanks guys! That will do it.