Lip-Fire, Tit-Fire, Cup-Fire Bullet Weights


#1

Does anyone know what the bullet weights are for the following:

.25 Lip-Fire
.32 Lip-Fire
.36 Lip-Fire
.44 Lip-Fire (Short Case)
.44 Lip-Fire (Long Case)

.32 Tit-Fire
.45 Tit-Fire

.28 Cup-Fire
.30 Cup-Fire
.42 Cup-Fire

I have all of these in my collection and can find dimensions in many publications, but have never seen the bullet weights listed.


#2

Ron,
I don’t recall ever seeing the weights published anywhere. I doubt that anyone has figured out a way to get the bullets out so they could weigh them that wouldn’t damage the cases in the process.

Regarding the .45 tit (or teat) fire, I have never seen the Army and Navy National revolver that fired it; anyone got a picture?


#3

What are the case lengths of the 44 Long and Short case Lip-fires?

Thanks

Paul


#4

Paul–According to Suydam in “U.S. Cartridges and their Handguns”, page 34, the .44 Lip-Fire, Short Case is 0.798, the Long Case is 0.863.


#5

Ron,
Here are the particulars for the first cartridge on your list, the .25 lip fire. I figured while I had it apart, I’d get the weight of the powder and the case as well.

bullet - 43.0 grains, with a flat base
powder - 5.1 grains, very fine and compressed
case - 10.2 grains
total weight - 58.3 grains

I weighed ten different complete cartridges, which ranged from 57.2 grains to 58.5 grains. They averaged 58.1 grains, within two tenths of a grain of the combined weight of the components of the test cartridge.


#6

Nice work. You’re becoming my kind of GUY!!!

Keep opening those boxes and pulling those bullets.

Ray


#7

Guy–Thanks. That is a beginning to the answers to my questions.


#8

I’ll check to see if I have duplicates of the other lip fire cartridges that I can pull. I also need to figure out how to get the cup and teat fire bullets out without damaging the cases or the bullets.