M.M.O. Ciervo


#1

Hello
Here is another one.
Green paper case with the following text
Varillas para Alambrado
Marca CIERVO
De flerro acorado especial

The headstamp says
M.M.O. 16 ciervo 16

Again any information is welcome.

Regards rené


#2

Hello René,

This is an early Argentine cartridge with an advertisement about barbwire rods. Text should read “Varillas para alambrado Marca Ciervo de fierro acerado especial” which means “Deer brand barbwire rods of special steeled iron”.

I believe this headstamp should read M.M.C. standing for Morea, Montemayor y Cía., Rivadavia 3000, Buenos Aires. This company was established in 1874 and also had branches located in 24 State Street, New York and Rue la Boetie 64, Paris. I would say this cartridge probably dates from c. 1910-1920 (company name changed in 1922).

Can you post some pictures?


#3

Hi Fede,

Many thanks for the info.
I will post some pictures, but this will probably take a few days. I am kind of busy right now.

Regards rené


#4

Shotshells made by SFM before and in 1906 with the following headstamps :
12 “deer picture” 12 Ciervo
and
Ciervo 12

jp


#5

[quote=“jeanpierre”]Shotshells made by SFM before and in 1906 with the following headstamps :
12 “deer picture” 12 Ciervo
and
Ciervo 12

jp[/quote]

Hello Jean pierre,
Is this also for pinfire??
I have a 12 ga green pinfire case with 12 deer picture 12 Ciervo.

Regards rené


#6

Hello Jean pierre,
Is this also for pinfire??
I have a 12 ga green pinfire case with 12 deer picture 12 Ciervo.

Regards rené[/quote]

I think, but no proof
JP


#7

Hello Fede,

Here are the pictures I promised you.
also a picture of the pinfire I mentioned before.

I Hope these pictures are good enough.

Many thanks for all the help.
Also from you Jean Pierre


#8

René, thank you very much!

Hello Jean-Pierre,

Can you post a copy of the SFM order? Thanks.


#9

[quote=“Fede”]René, thank you very much!

Hello Jean-Pierre,

Can you post a copy of the SFM order? Thanks.[/quote]

Order 11236 Morea
Date 1900< date< 1907
Hdstp: Ciervo 24 (28, 14 mm, 12 mm)

Order 5303
date :14/05/1907
Hdstp: 12 (16, 20) “deer” 12 (16,20) Ciervo


#10

JP, thanks for the information.

These were made for Morea, Mendizábal y Cía. (later named Morea, Montemayor y Cía.). Trademark “Ciervo” was registered in Argentina in 1905.

Are there no headstamp drawings in these orders?


#11

[quote=“Fede”]JP, thanks for the information.

These were made for Morea, Mendizábal y Cía. (later named Morea, Montemayor y Cía.). Trademark “Ciervo” was registered in Argentina in 1905.

Are there no headstamp drawings in these orders?[/quote]

Here are pictures;
Which one is Morea Mendizabal?
Which one is Morea Montemayor ?
When was the change of name ?
What were the addresses ?
thanks
JP
I’ve checked This first one is from 1904

And this one from 1907


#12

Hello Jean-Pierre,

The first order was filled by Ciriaco Morea when the company was designated Morea, Mendizábal & Cía.. My first reference for “Morea, Montemayor & Co.” is dated 1914. Adress was always Rivadavia 3000.

I’m assuming that the second order was made for the same firm but I have no documents to prove it. It looks very similar to a variation of the “Hirsch” trademark (“Hirsch” is german for “Ciervo”).


#13

[quote=“Fede”]Hello Jean-Pierre,

The first order was filled by Ciriaco Morea when the company was designated Morea, Mendizábal & Cía.. My first reference for “Morea, Montemayor & Co.” is dated 1914. Adress was always Rivadavia 3000.

I’m assuming that the second order was made for the same firm but I have no documents to prove it. It looks very similar to a variation of the “Hirsch” trademark (“Hirch” is german for “Ciervo”).[/quote]

hello Fede
the second order was made for the same firm because it has the same drawing number (B instead of A)

have you the argentinan trademark scan ?

jp
jp


#14


#15

This is not a trade mark patent, isn’t it ?
JP


#16

JP, yes, this is an argentine trademark patent.


#17

JP, although the second order (1907) has the same drawing number (B instead of A) I don’t know if it was registered in Argentina. This “Ciervo” trademark including a deer drawing was registered in 1907 by Juan Victor Mendizábal of San Sebastián, Guipúzcoa, Spain.


#18

Found another shell with the Ciervo brand.
Thought it might be interesting to show a picture.
Take a look on the crude rim!


Regards rené


#19

René, nice cartridge!


#20

Fede, thank you!!

Am I correct to say this is the deer shown in above drawing?

René