M.S. & C. Co headstamp..Anyone know it


#1

I found this in a new collection. It had a note with it saying unknown Circa 1916.USA but found in Germany.
I have never heard or seen this one, or rely on what the note stated as it came for a novice collector. (Probably assumed US made as the Winchester primer). It does not appear to be a re-load. Can anyone shed any light on this one?


#2

There was a company in Germany working with silverware in the late 1800’s by the name of “M.S. & C”:

Working with metal and stamping out cases would presumably be no problem for a company making silverware, so that’s a possibility. If 1916 has any significance, then it might be some limited production cartridges made for some S&W model 10 revolvers that the Germans captured during the war? That seems sort of a stretch, and very odd that this headstamp would be unknown until now? Or it could be a plausible obvious back-story for a fake rare trial run from wherever it came.


#3

German Silver is an English or American Wording for Cupro-Nickel alloy…in German it is called “Pinchbeck”, in Italian “Alpaca” and in French it is “???”

So the Initials may not be for a German company, but one in the USA, hence the Winchester Primer.

regards,
DocAV


#4

Ah, thanks Doc, some new trivia learned today then. It’s a much more plausible story then that this M.S.&C. co was an American silverware company which got into making some cases possibly, which would make more sense for the caliber. Still strange that the headstamp seems unknown.


#5

At this late date it seems to me that an American origin of the cartridge case–Winchester primer notwithstanding–is a real long shot. Since there was some manufacture after the first war in Germany and Austria of American calibers for the American market by poorly-identified makers I’d vote for European origin. Jack