M90 & 95 clip markings


#1

Hello all.
I’ve compiled a list of en-bloc clip markings for the Steyr M90 & M95 rifles with a LOT of assistance from others. I was wondering if y’all would be kind enough to look it over and see if you can confirm any information, point out any mistakes, etc. Any help is appreciated and credit will be given where due. :)

Here’s the html version, if this doesn’t work or isn’t acceptable (sorry, new to the forum) just let me know and I’ll be glad to copy & paste a forum-friendly version.

Again, any assistance you can provide is appreciated, hopefully one day the list will be complete (or as complete as it can be).

http://stashbox.org/315194/m95clipmarkings.html


#2

Unfortunately, you have to log into this site and provide a pass word. How do you look at it when you don’t have the pass word?


#3

:(

Ok, here’s a copy & paste from another forum. Not as neat or in order but should work. ^_^

Steyr M90 & M95 En-Bloc Clip Markings

These are notes I’ve made regarding the markings found on the clips used for the Steyr M90 & M95, with the assistance of The Hebrew Hammer, Procrastinator43, 1886Lebel, Rapidrob, & other members at the Surplus Rifle forums ( forums.gunboards.com) and Valo62 at Yesterday’s Weapons M95 forum (http://www.yesterdaysweapons.com/phpBB2/index.php). Their assistance is greatly appreciated.

Confirmed

Eagle & swastika: Nazi Germany. If P635 is below it then it was made by Wollersdorf Patronenfabrik, Austria. Otherwise it was made by either Wollersdorf/Hirtenberger or Hirtenberger.

Pictures courtesy of alb87:

Picture courtesy of jaz5833:

Picture courtesy of jerry in MI:

Picture courtesy of Rapidrob:

2 headed Austrian (Hapsburg) eagle with shield: Wollersdorf Patronenfabrik, Vienna, Austria.

Picture courtesy of alb87:

Picture courtesy of kh:

Picture courtesy of jaz5833:

Picture courtesy of Jerry in MI:

Picture courtesy of Rapidrob:


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A or A over H with diacritic (accent mark)[/i]: Allami Hadianyaggyar (state factory), Budapest, Hungary. Formerly a private, Jewish firm until taken over by the state. Made to look like they’d come from Hirtenberger.

Picture courtesy of jaz5833:

Picture courtesy of Rapidrob:

A or A over H: Hirtenberger Patronenfabrik, Austria.

GR inside circle: Georg Roth, Vienna, Austria.

Pictures courtesy of alb87:

Picture courtesy of enfield56:

Picture courtesy of jaz5833:

Pictures courtesy of jerry in MI:

Picture courtesy of Rapidrob:

ML or ML inside shield: Magyar Loszermuvek RT., Veszprem, Hungary, Manfred Weiss until 1932.

Picture courtesy of enfield56:

Picture courtesy of kh:

Picture courtesy of jerry in MI:

Picture courtesy of jaz5833:

W or italicized W or W inside circle: Franz Weiss, Csepel (later Budapest), Hungary

Picture courtesy of alb87:

Picture courtesy of kh:

Pictures courtesy of jerry in MI:

Picture courtesy of Rapidrob:

H inside oval or circle: Hirtenberger Patronenfabrik, Austria.

Picture courtesy of alb87:

Pictures courtesy of kh (note, last clip on right in first pic may be an x):

KC inside circle: Keller & Co., Hirtenberg, Austria.

Picture courtesy of kh:

Picture courtesy of Rapidrob:

Picture courtesy of nick:

C over A: Sofia Artillery Arsenal, Sofia, Bulgaria.

Picture courtesy of enfield56:

Picture courtesy of jerry in MI:

R inside oval: Georg Roth. Unsure of plant location.

JR: Juraj Roth, Bratislava,Czechoslovakia. Formerly the George Roth plant of Pressburg, Germany until taken over by the Czechs in 1922/3.

Picture courtesy of AndyB:

SF inside shield or SF inside circle: Soci


#4

Nice work. I didn


#5

Zeliard,Italy once used captured mannlicher rifles so SMI could well stand for "societ


#6

Pbutler:
Oops! Thanks for the correction! Glad to see that the html page is working. :)
You’re correct, I don’t have the one headed eagle listed. Is that from clip?

Pivi: Yup, but unfortunately no clip markings have been seen, just headstamps. :/ Thanks!

Also, it looks like the thumbnails aren’t working correctly. I’ll try to fix that over Christmas. ^_^


#7

Zeliard

Yes, it


#8

Ha! Good use for the cases. Would you mind if I used your picture for my database?
Also it looks like you have a brass austrian double headed eagle. Would you be willing to upload that?

Thanks! :)


#9

Be my guest with the pictures. The 2 enlarged eagles with the coat of arms are from the same two clips in the box shown. The gold lacquer on the one gives it a brass appearance but they are both steel.


#10

Ok, thanks!
I’m waiting to upload a new html version until more info comes in, or in about a week, whichever comes first. ^_^


#11

All small arms ammunition made in Austria from the late 1920s until the end of World War Two was made in the facilities of the Hirtenberger firm, even if identified by the German codes P635 or am or by the single or twin headed Austrian eagle. The older Austrian firm of Roth, as well as the government facility at Woellersdorf faded at the end of the first war or within the next few years. JG


#12

Ok, now I’m confused. ^_^

According to the German Wikipedia entry, the Woellersdorf plant quit operating in '22.

Based upon that information, while the single headed eagle marking could have been made at Woellersdorf, the double headed eagle couldn’t have been. It would have been made by Hirtenberger, but not at that particular plant.

Yet, at the same time, everything I find about German ordinance codes indicates a 635 as being from Woellersdorf.

So…which is it? ^_^

Was the entire Hirtenberger firm taken over by Gustloff-Werke (because the original firm was Jewish)? If so, then I should amend the Nazi marked clips to show Gustloff-Werke rather than Hirtenberger and make a note about the takeover.

Were the AM 40 clips only made at Niedernau? If so I should change it to show that it was the Niedernau division of Hirtenberger.


#13

Original German documentation identifies code P635 as being assigned to Gustloff-Werke, Otto Eberhart - Patronenfabrik, Hirtenberg Niederdonau.
The Austrians just used the terms “Staatsfabrik” surmounted by the Eagle on military boxes for some calibers - in this case, I am referencing the 9mm Steyr-caliber boxes, because they fall into what I collect. The ammunition in these boxes is from Hirtenberg and when clips are present, they are marked with an “H”. The Germans changed the basic Austrian-style boxes only by changing the Austrian Imperial Eagle to the German “Reichsadler” insignia of the time, and Eagle clutching a circled-Swastika in its claws, above “P 635.” Aside from the rifle calibers discussed with the clips in this thread, they also used label form on several styles of boxes in calibers 9mm Steyr, 9 x 25m/m Mauser, and some other calibers.


#14

Ah, ok, that makes more sense. Thank you. :)
I’ll change the designation for the nazi marked clips to show they’re from the Niederdonau plant rather than Woellersdorf.


#15

Here you can find the pictures of a brass mannlicher clip made by Pirotecnico di Bologna in 1942.It has no marking but was so headstamped on the box

forum.worldwar.it/Forum/viewtopi … =3&t=14306


#16

Thanks!

Now I’m kind of wondering about the MF marking, which is supposed to be a Woellersdorf one.

I’ve found a lot more info (from a credible source) about the Czech Roth plant. I’ve included that info on the new html list.

I’m not touching anymore of the German stuff for now, too many conflicting reports over Woellersdorf/Niederdonau/Hirtenberg. Gonna wait to see what more info arrives about those. :)

http://stashbox.org/342190/m95clipmarkings.html


#17

[quote=“Pivi”]Here you can find the pictures of a brass mannlicher clip made by Pirotecnico di Bologna in 1942.It has no marking but was so headstamped on the box

forum.worldwar.it/Forum/viewtopi … =3&t=14306[/quote]

Another one specimen of Mannlicher clip without headstamps was made in Russia during WWI. It was steel clip with solid “walls”.

May be this picture could be usefull to nice database linked below by Zeliard


#18

[quote=“Zeliard”]Thanks!

I’m not touching anymore of the German stuff for now, too many conflicting reports over Woellersdorf/Niederdonau/Hirtenberg. Gonna wait to see what more info arrives about those. :)

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Hi, Zeliard!

May be I can help to deside this conflict in info. According to my data, all Mannlicher clips with Eagles (one, two-headed and also Nazi) was made at Staatsfabrik Hirtenberger Patronenfabrik, Hirtenberg. The headstamps with Nazi eagle and leter “am 40” was used also by this plant? but with new name - Gustloff-Werke, Patronenfabrik Otto Eberhardt, Hirtenberg. Some sources mentioned this German company as Gustloff-Werke, Otto Eberhart - Patronenfabrik, Niederdonau, because Niederdonau (Lower Danube), name for Lower Austria used first by the National Socialists in 1938, later also introduced by the Nazi administration at Austria’s suggestion. The northern Burgenland (districts of Neusiedl, Eisenstadt, Mattersburg and Oberpullendorf) and the districts of southern Moravia (from 1939, then called Nikolsburg, Znaim and Neubistritz) also belonged to the gau of Niederdonau.

k.u.k. Munitionsfabrik W


#19

Treshkin,

I also have one of these clips. As well as having the solid sidewalls it differs from standard clips in that it doesn’t have the ribbed (finger grips) on the top lips.]

gravelbelly


#20

Treshkin: Ah, ok, so that’s a regional name, not necessarily a specific plant in that region. I’ll change them to read Hirtenberg instead of Niederdonau specifically.

I’m always on the lookout for new markings and pictures of those that are missing them or have few images. :)

Thanks!

I’m debating with myself whether to include the unmarked clips or not. On the one hand, it’s supposed to be about the markings, but on the other hand they are Mannlicher clips so really should be included. I may well add them in under a section labeled “Unmarked”.