Mac 380 smg


#1

In Hobart’s ‘Pictorial History of the Sub-Machine Gun’ reference is made to the Ingram Model 11 chambered in 9mm Short/.380 for which Winchester produced special high-velocity ammunition headstamped MAC 380 SMG.

Does anyone have more details of this ammo, especially the bullet weight, type and muzzle velocity (presumably from the SMG barrel)?


#2

Gary Reusze shows some for sale on his website (http://www.colcartinc.com) under Amer-British pistol .0 - .40 cal list for $3.50 a piece. His description says: [quote]130 gr. FJRN MAC 380 SMG (flat nickel primer with maroon seal. These are specifically loaded hot for MAC M11 SMG’s. Not to be used in a 380 handgun)[/quote]

He also shows a pic of the headstamp


#3

Thanks for that. 130 grains is really heavy for that little cartridge. Anyone know the MV?


#4

Here’s more data from an old AFTE journal article by Monty Lutz from pages 35 & 36 of the August 1975 journal. I had to cut & paste images from the old Paperport viewer that they use as a reader (low quality). I know we don’t usually just copy other articles and post them here, but this is sort of an obscure, obsolete, old and abandoned item:




#5

Many thanks, that’s excellent info!

I’d like one of those rounds offered for sale, but trying to get even a deactivated one sent from the USA these days is not worth the hassle.


#6

From 2008 to this year, I must have had close to 1000 rounds sent from the USA inerted. Getting a pulled one posted shouldn’t be a problem. You could always find someone to bring you one back from SLICS next year.