Made in USSR


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Max - I guess as time goes on, these “Made in USSR” marked shells will disappear and become hard to find. Sixty-five years after WWII, it is almost never that one still sees an old sample of a product marked “Made in Occupied Japan,” for example, even though as the Japanese industry rebuilt, we saw dozens of products, mostly toys and optical goods (or at least those are the sort of things someone my age, very young then, noticed) so-marked. Interesting pictures - thanks for posting them.

John Moss


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These were obviously made for foreign markets. How did the ones intended for internal Russian market look? Were they of the same quality?


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sksvlad,
i got these from old hunter in Moscow, who bought these shells loaded god knows how many years ago (maybe 30 or so) in Moscow and used these to hunt ducks.


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Russian hunting cartridges is a very interesting subject.

Here are some pictures in addition to Max’s beautiful set

Cardboard cases with some variants of headstamps. The left case dated 1957 has berdan primer pocket

Also some coloured cardboard cases. The right case is for sporting cartridge

Soviet brass cases also had interesting headstamps sometimes

Also USSR produced steel cases - GMCS datted 1941 (left) and steel nickel plated datted 1958 (right)

The cartridge boxes was a special part of Soviet monumental visual arts

Special cartridges also produced for hunters, such as this signal cartridge 12 Gauge


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Today the reloading and resizing technologies are videly used by hunters. Every days people design new tools and methods. But all this new development are child’s play as compared with Soviet hand-made technologies of hunting cartridges. Of course it’s joke, but I would like to display the set of workpieces, which demonstrates the step-by-step technology of producing 12 gauge case from… 12,7x108 DSHK service case.

1- standard 12,7x108 DSHK case
2-5 - stadies of manufacturing (resizing)
6 - ready 12 Gauge case 70 mm length
7 - standard factory made 12 Gauge case 65 mm length (for comparison)


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Have you something older ?? before 1918 for example.
have you some documents (catalogues) showing ctges?
have you some gun barrel proof house documents (before 1970) ?
thanks
jp


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[quote=“jeanpierre”]Have you something older ?? before 1918 for example.
have you some documents (catalogues) showing ctges?
have you some gun barrel proof house documents (before 1970) ?
thanks
jp[/quote]

I am not a hunting cartridge collector, but I have some Carist era and early USSR headstamps. I will show they later.

I have some pages from different Russian catalogues.

Sorry, I am not able to help you with barrel proofs headstamps. I can only search description of different commercial in modern Russian and Ukrainian magazines


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[quote=“jeanpierre”]Have you something older ?? before 1918 for example.
have you some documents (catalogues) showing ctges?
have you some gun barrel proof house documents (before 1970) ?
thanks
jp[/quote]

Here are some another headstamps - Imperial Russia and USSR


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I find the boxes fascinating! The boxes, with pictures that surely represent the game intended to be taken with the given shell, seem so practical until we get to the 1977 boxes, one with a pointing dog and the next without. Surely they are not shooting dogs with these, are they? Pointing dogs would indicate flushing game to me, an American who grew up shooting quail over pointing dogs, but the caption mentions ducks! I always considered hunting in the USSR to be a necessity, to put meat on the table, not sport. Very interesting.


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!!! Impressing !!
Thanks a lot !!

Could you please tell the ones which are from before the revolution ?

Thanks
JP


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[quote=“jeanpierre”]!!! Impressing !!
Thanks a lot !!

Could you please tell the ones which are from before the revolution ?

Thanks
JP[/quote]

First 15 pcs where made before Revolution.


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great collection, things we never see here in the west. THANKS !!


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Thanks! It’s not a collection generally - I only try to buy interesting hunting cases.

May be some modern Ukrainian plastic cases also could be interesting…


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[quote=“jeanpierre”]!!! Impressing !!
Thanks a lot !!

Could you please tell the ones which are from before the revolution ?

Thanks
JP[/quote]

Sorry, I made a small mistake. Headstamp 16-18 also was made before revolution. The manufacturer was МЩСКЩВСКІЙ ДРОБОЛИТЕЙНІЙ И ПАТРОННЫЙ ЗАВОД (Moscow shot-casting and cartridge plant). It was found in 1901 and nationalized in 1918


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Hello Treshkin,

Indeed very, very interesting pictures. But on the plastic cases I must say that the green SAGA one is made in Spain.
Regards René


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[quote=“treshkin”][quote=“jeanpierre”]!!! Impressing !!
Thanks a lot !!

Could you please tell the ones which are from before the revolution ?

Thanks
JP[/quote]

Sorry, I made a small mistake. Headstamp 16-18 also was made before revolution. The manufacturer was МЩСКЩВСКІЙ ДРОБОЛИТЕЙНІЙ И ПАТРОННЫЙ ЗАВОД (Moscow shot-casting and cartridge plant). It was found in 1901 and nationalized in 1918[/quote]

Thank you very much. very interesting !

  1. here are 5 headstamps of Russian ctges I have.
    Could you please correct the spelling ?
    12 PУСБЕЛЬГ ПАТРБАВ 12 МОСЌВА (compagnie russo belge)
    12 * РУСБЕЛЬГ. П.З. * 12 * МОСЌВА (compagnie russo belge)
    ПАТРОИ РУССКИЙ ЗАВОД З 12 (russian factory of ctges)
    12 E No Torbek (Torbek)
    12 E. TOРБЕКЬ 12 МОСЌВА (Torbek)

  2. About the third one have you some info ?

  3. About your 18 ctges shown, could you writte the headstamp ?

  4. have you catalogues about these imperial ctges ?

Thanks
JP


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should be

  1. 12 PУСБЕЛЬГ ПАТР ЗАВ 12 МОСКВА
  2. ПАТРОН РУССКИЙ ЗАВОД З 12
  3. 12 E. TOРБЕКЪ 12 МОСКВА

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[quote=“mpopenker”][quote]

  1. 12 PУСБЕЛЬГ ПАТРБАВ 12 МОСЌВА (compagnie russo belge)
  2. 12 * РУСБЕЛЬГ. П.З. * 12 * МОСЌВА (compagnie russo belge)
  3. ПАТРОИ РУССКИЙ ЗАВОД З 12 (russian factory of ctges)
  4. 12 E No Torbek (Torbek)
  5. 12 E. TOРБЕКЬ 12 МОСЌВА (Torbek)
    [/quote]

should be

  1. 12 PУСБЕЛЬГ ПАТР ЗАВ 12 МОСКВА
  2. ПАТРОН РУССКИЙ ЗАВОД З 12
  3. 12 E. TOРБЕКЪ 12 МОСКВА[/quote]

Thank you very much !!
JP