Need help with 12 Ga Hubertus shotshell


#1

Here is a picture of the shotshell cartridge with cooper base and alluminium body. It’s looks factory loaded.
Please, help me to find answers on following questions:

  1. Who was a manufacturer of this cartridge?
  2. When this cartridge was made? Before or after WWII?
  3. Who was a manufacturer of the primer with headstamp “MO”?
  4. If primer manufacturer is known, did it also produced .22LR ammo with indented headstamp “MO” (last picture, right)?
    Thanks for any information



#2

Dima, the “MO” here looks like it is the Hungarian writing “MÓ” with an apostroph above the “O” (or what ever the correct term for that sign is).


#3

Yes, Alex, I know. But have never seen such headstamp before. I have little hope to find a connection between the headstamp on the primer and headstamp on the .22LR, which photo I was kindly provided by our mutual friend Ivan Grigorievich.


#4

Yes, I am aware of that .22 hs from our friend.

Unfortunately the name/term “Hubertus” is widely used in German language hunting sphere and I am not enough (if at all) into shotshells to say anything that would make sense.
Maybe one of our shotshell specialists here can shed more light on this one?
Also we need to keep in mind that primers are a more special thing which are not as easy to produce as most other cartridge components and manufacturers are fewer (in particular in the decades back).
Means the primer could well having been imported and that the cartridge or case manufacturer is different from the primer manufacturer.

I am as curious as you to find out about that primer and the .22 hs.


#5

HI There,

As Alex says, there are many shells from many companies bearing the name Hubertus.
It sure looks like an older style headstamp to me.
As for the color, dark grey, I have never seen that on a Hubertus case.
The Hubertus cases from Schonebeck are black and not grey.

The Topwad is also very interesting, to me!
I have a similar one on a unidentified shotshell, plain tube and headstamp K ***** 12 *****
Sure would like to know the origin of it.

Sorry, cannot say anything about the primer.

regards rené


#6

“hubertus” on shotshells can be

either for Sellier & Bellot á Schönebeck

or for Jagdpatronen-, Zündhütchen- und Metallwarenfabruk AG á Magyarovar (Hungary)

jp


#7

Jeanpierre, that Hungarian connection now sounds interesting. Do you have more info on that factory?


#8

[quote=“polman”]HI There,

As Alex says, there are many shells from many companies bearing the name Hubertus.
It sure looks like an older style headstamp to me.
As for the color, dark grey, I have never seen that on a Hubertus case.
The Hubertus cases from Schonebeck are black and not grey.
[/quote]

Hi, Rene,

The case body is made of aluminum. At least it’s non-magnetis and soft. The grey colour could be natural oxidation or sort of protective coating. For a pitty I can’t check this because somebody lacquered this cartridge before I get it


#9

Could it be zinc then?


#10

1899 to 1922 Hirtenberger had a branch factory in Ungarisch-Altenburg (Hungarian spelling Magyar-Óvar). They made primers, shotshells and artillery fuzes there.

I can’t tell anything about the ‘Hubertus’ cartridge, but the MÓ marked primer seems to come from Austria-Hungary.


#11

May be


#12

[quote=“jeanpierre”]“hubertus” on shotshells can be

either for Sellier & Bellot á Schönebeck

or for Jagdpatronen-, Zündhütchen- und Metallwarenfabruk AG á Magyarovar (Hungary)

jp[/quote]

Thanks for the connection with Hungary
As I remember REX - is a trade mark of the hungarian company NITROKEMIA


#13

[quote=“Defender”]1899 to 1922 Hirtenberger had a branch factory in Ungarisch-Altenburg (Hungarian spelling Magyar-Óvar). They made primers, shotshells and artillery fuzes there.

I can’t tell anything about the ‘Hubertus’ cartridge, but the MÓ marked primer seems to come from Austria-Hungary.[/quote]

Thank you very much! Great! I forgоt about this Hirtenberger branch


#14

Nitrokemia is a known propellant manufacturer (also post 1945) in Hungary which is still existing.

nitrokemia.hu/company-data.html


#15

Is there any info on these suspected to be Hungarian “MO” .22 cartridges?
Does anybody have boxes with this hs inside?


#16

There are Hungarian .22 rimfire cartridges with M as the headstamp, see: 22box-id.com/world/Hungary.pdf


#17

Brian, the “M” is the more common version (simplification?) of the “MO” headstamp according to the database of a Hungarian friend.
It seems the “MO” was used only for a short time judging by the scarcity.
It would be good to see boxes with this hs and see if there is a year on.