Need help with ID Cartridges Eley


#1

I need help by ID this cartridges??
What are they? and what is the value??

thanks Gyrojet



#2

Should be a muzzle-loading shotgun “cartridge” held together by an internal wire mesh like those described here:
http://www.muzzleloadingshotguns.com/articles/eleypatentwirecartridges

Not sure on value


#3

Thanks Matt

Please anybody know’s a value on these cartridges???


#4

Gyrojet,
Conjay sold the 16 Gauge wire cartridges with " 16 gauge bottom" marks for 20 pounds in 1993


#5

I’ve seen a number of these listed in various UK general auctions over the past couple of years. They don’t fetch much when they sell.

Holts sold the following lot of 15 in a sealed bid sale earlier this year:

Sale S1063 Lot 7538
FIFTEEN VINTAGE AND COLLECTABLE 15 BORE ELEY’ WIRE’ SHOTGUN CARTRIDGES WITH 12 IN SEALED ORIGINAL FACTORY PACKET WITH LABEL listing the use of 1 ounce of shot, together with a further 3 examples loose with paper covered bodies with orange base labels and brown fabric tabs.

This lot sold for £56 including commission.


#6

Thank you gentlemen…

gyrojet


#7

Just found on a list of a friend of mine, the same 16 gauge cartridge sold for 7.5 Euro


#8

Harrie, here is a nice auction display box with 4 of them $29 soldusa.com/rainworx/detail.asp?id=8977


#9

Harry
I sell them for 3-5 US$ each but the 15 bore should be worth more perhaps $15-25 just because of the odd (today) ga.

To find odd gauges in these is not uncommon, because these were for muzzle loaders & were usually loaded with just powder and loose shot with a wad to keep the shot from rolling out if the muzzle was tipped down. Most makers had their own idea, as did their customers, of what was efficient & so the odd / uncommon gauges were offered.

Sometime these are found loaded in a “modern” shell, I have them in pin fires & in United States Cartridge Co. shells, hand loads of course.

Gary Muckel wrote a most excellent book on shot shell concentrators & he notes the patents, variations & origins of these. He probably still has some for sale…

(PS Gary, just mail the check for this free plug to me, no need to hold the cash for SLICS).