Need some help identifying

General Ammunition Discussion
#1

Recently acquired 3 unusual 30-06 cartridges.
See photos below:
First one is a tin-plated brass case m1909 blank headstamped FA 8 17 with a brass primer and heavy 3 stab crimp. This cartridge is listed in Marcello’s book and in HWS1 as a possible reuse of Proof ctg cases. Why the heavy stab crimp for a blank?

006
0062704×4056 1.87 MB

011
0112704×4056 2.05 MB

The second is a nice pencil round with a tinned brass bullet jacket and no primer or headstamp. Anyone have an idea as to its origin?

002
0024056×2704 1.54 MB

003
0034056×2704 2.08 MB

004
0044056×2704 2.35 MB

The third appears to be a ball round with magnetic bullet jacket. Case is headstamped MF. The primer is nickel with a spot of pinkish-purple paint on it. Is this one of the MF cases made for Fred Gibbs? Anyone know the meaning of the paint dot?

007
0072704×4056 1.95 MB

009
0092704×4056 1.87 MB

Thanks in advance for the help.

Pat

#2

Really! No one has seen these before?

Pat

#3

Pat,

  1. never seen such crimp on a 30-06 blank.
  2. I have many without headstamp, most are impossible to identify 100%.
    the pencils were a popular WW1 product
  3. correct MF Footscray for Gibbs.
    I only have a NUPE, so I can’t tell you what load it is

René

#4

Thanks Rene!
Pat