I agree that these cartridges loaded are not easy for collectors in some countries, including the US, to get. They are not used in the USA and therefore are not imported, for the most part. You will see from the picture of those rounds in my collection that many have a hole in the case. They are all factory inert (dummy) cartridges obtained for me at various European military and trade shows. Very few of them have been found in the US by me.
In the Picture: Top Row: First Group on left: All Russian, various loadings (note colors of plastic inserts at case mouths), designated 9mm AC. Mostly gas and blank. All inert. 2nd Group from left. 9mm PA, various countries, including Russia. Many are inert. Last cartridge of the row is an unfinished case retained for its headstamp. Again, various loadings of tear gas (all inert) and blanks.
Bottom Row: 10 x 32T. First one on left is a live round, rubber-ball loading. The other two are factory dummies, differing only in the position of the hole in the side of the case. All made by Barnaul and so headstamped. Second group from the left: 9 mm Rubber cartridges, based on the 9mm PA round, but with rubber ball loading. Despite the loading, a couple of these are still headstamped as “Knall” or “noise blanks.” The last one is and empty case with the ball removed. The first at the left, which is possibly a protype of the “rubber” cartridge, appears to have a dark grey plastic ball, instead of black rubber.
I have not been overly specific about these only because this type of ammunition is very peripheral to my collection. Yes, they shoot in self-loading pistols, but are not really conventional semi-automatic pistols. I have never, as of yet, fully categorized them or even identified all the loadings. One day I hope I will get to it.
I did not include the 8mm Platzpatrone or 8 mm Gaspatrone, the same case type with only different loadings, because they have been widely sold in the USA and are well known to cartridge collectors throughout the world. While I have a lot of them, I have a poor collection because most are gas cartridges, and unlike the newer types shown in the picture, are not easy to find inerted. Live gas cartridges that actually have gas-producing agents in them are illegal in California. I do not collect them at all unless they are clearly fired cases, or factory-inerted cartridges that probably never contain the gas-producing elements at all, since they were made only for advertising and informational purposes. No real loss to me, as I have never generated a big interest in these types, not because they are NOT interesting, which would be absurd to say, but only because they are somewhat out of my field. I call them a wobbler - much like industrial cartridges loaded in auto pistol case types. I have a few of those, but do not actively seek them out.
Photo and comments by John Moss,
items pictured from the collection of John Moss