Newbie Help please


#1

Good day All, please help ID this cartridge. I know very little about hand gun ammo and have started cataloging my very new collection.


Case Length 18,3mm
Bullet 9,5mm
Rim 10mm

Many thanks,

Jonathan


#2

9x18 mm Makarov, made at Yuryusan, Chelyabinsk, Russia.

Code 38 was used for Tula until 1941 when it was moved to Yuryusan. Post-1941, 38 indicates Yuryusan.
It closed in 1989, upon which production restarded in Tula, using code 539.

Ole


#3

Thank you Ole, need to start learning about these calibers! need help with two more please.

38 S&W on the right for reference.

Thanks


#4

British/Commonwealth ammunition is admittably my weakest point but R/|\L is Royal Laboratory, Woolwich, London.

What are the measurements?
Middle looks like .455 Webley, Mk I. As far as I remember the heavy cannelure is a telling sign it’s loaded with cordite (as opposed to blackpowder).

Ole


#5

Middle as follows:
Case length 22 mm
Bullet 11,5 mm
Rim 13,5 mm

Left as follows:
Case length 20 mm
Bullet 11 mm
Rim 13 mm

Regards,
J


#6

Cartridge on the left is a 10.4mm Italian Ordnance Revolver round made by Pirotechnia di Capua, Italy in 1935. LN does not stand for the maker, but the inspector, Leggiadore, Nicola if dated 1914 - 1935. The C stands for Capua.

Joe


#7

10.4 Italian “Bodeo” on the left, British .455 MkI in the center.


#8

Wow, I can’t imagine how the 10.4mm ended up in the middle of the Free State in South Africa??? Last one please guys…


Mkiv Webely?


#9

Which not to confuse SAAavage is one and the same as 10.4mm Italian Ordnance Revolver.
Other common names are;
10.35mm Bodego
10.35mm Chamelot-Delvigne revolver M. 1874
10.35mm Glisenti M. 1889
10.35mm Italian Revolver
10.4mm Chamelot, Delvigne & Schmidt M. 1872
10.4mm Glisenti Revolver M. 1889

Joe


#10

Joe that is enough to get one confused…
I think I will go with 10,4mm Glisenti Italian Revolver C35 for my records.


#11

The last appears to be a MkIV Webley round, but the belt at the case mouth looks odd to me, without running downstairs to look at mine. Does it have a flat bullet tip or a deep/wide hollow point? I’m not sure from the pic.


#12

Flat bullet tip Jonnyc. I am not lucky enough to have a “Man Stopper”

dd


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#15

Thank you, my Mkiv just looks so much older than my Mki…I keep forgetting about Tony E’s site to look up British Military cartridges.


#16

SA Savage,
What is the headstamp on your .38 S&W in the 4th picture?

Thanks,
Dan


#17

Dan it is a SANDF cartridge HS 9.65 R1 M1 A80.
The box it comes in has 9.65X19.5R Ball R1M1 on it.

J


#18

Thanks!
I’m not fimiliar with that headstamp. The bullet looks more Webley than S&W to me.

Dan


#19

The South African 9.65mm (38 S&W) was loaded with a projectile with a similar profile to that of a 9x19 para (the one I have is headstamped PMP 72 .380 S&W) later ones would be headstamped as 9.65 much the same as later .303" were headstamped as 7.7mm…the Mk IV .455" is a commercial ‘buy in’ as indicated by the two broad arrows which are accepted into service marks which may explain the ‘odd’ features of this round.

Tony