Old tesching ctges (ter)


#1

I would like an identification of these ctges

All of these ctges have a raised base
From left to right :

  1. Hstp 18 / GR / 78 / II
    Rim diam : 14.80
    base diam : 13.05
    neck diam : 10.7
    cl : 50.80
    bull diam 9.90
    What is this one ???

  2. Hstp H Utentendoerffer 1876 (raised)
    Rim diam : 15.00
    base diam : 13.10
    neck diam 12.05
    cl : 35.00
    bull diam 11.35
    What is this one ???

  3. Hstp: 18 / GR / 78 / II
    Rim diam : 14.80
    base diam : 13.00
    neck diam 12.25
    cl : 41.15
    bull diam 11.50
    What is this one ???

Thanks
jp


#2

Third one looks like a 11 x 41R Werndl . I have a case that looks identical, but made in 1876


#3

#1 is a 10x51R Austrian MB Target which is considered compatible with the 10x52R Lorenz MB Target (MB111). These are known with at least 5 different Roth military style hs (also used on sporting calibres) dating from 1877-1878 as well as the Roth numbered “GR//71//” hs.

#2 is most likely a 11.25x35R MB Target (MB18) but it is also close to the more common 11.5x35R Werder MB Target (MB19) both of which are known with the Utendoerffer 1876 hs.

#3 is (as Marco states) likely to be a 11.2x41.5R Werndl Target (A81) (many aka’s) known with at least 4 different Roth military style hs dating from 1876-1878 as well as the Roth numbered “GR//46//” hs.


#4

Thanks !
Give me time to analyze all that.
I’ll come back
JP