Platzpatrone 33


#1

Small and unexpected treasure from a cockloft. It seems nothing extraordinary I suppose but in good condition and very nice to get it.

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#2

Very nice find, thanks for sharing.

joe


#3

Could you possibly take a photo of the other headstamps? The box and contents are really nice.


#4

Sorry for the delay but here they are.


#5

Thank you!
That’s a collector’s paradise - no two headstamps are the same :)


#6

[quote=“poltespandau”]Thank you!
That’s a collector’s paradise - no two headstamps are the same :)[/quote]

It is normal by this kind of cartridges.

On the label is written Patrh.:S*.wh.am.
Means; cases, S* (brass) wh (wiederholt hergestellt) by „am”.
Read; fired cases reworked and loaded by „am“ to blank 33 rounds

Dutch


#7

Dutch - I’m aware that this is normal for this kind of boxes but for me it’s still a nice view.
If anyone has similar pictures - please share them here.
It’s very interesting to see the different headstamps.


#8

Hi poltespandau,

Here’s one of my mixed boxes…


HS are:

P-S*-14-31, P245-S*-3-38, P131-S*-13-34, P131-S*-27-36 (2x), P207-S*-5-38, P442-S*-4-39,
P186-S*-14-35, P369-S*-2-39, P442-S*-3-39 (2x), P120-S*-17-39, P-S*-68-38, P315-S*-73-37 and P28-S*-4-37


#9

If you are all interested in Platzpatrone 33 box labels I can also show a few.
Some of them never made any cases or ball ammunition

Each box has some kind of a story.

The top box is loaded with reworked cases by P169, the powder plant Hasloch.
The second one loaded by “bnf” in 1943 who stopped producing 7,9 in 1941
P90 is made with reworked cases by the Bergmann Elektrizitäitswerke in Berlin
P797 was Hugo Schneider A.G., Werk Meuselwitch/Thüringen.

A box from “eej” 1943 made with Polish cases and primers
The “asb box of 1944 has a temporary label. I think the blue striped steel labels were out.
The next “asb” steel case label tell us; 2 x reloaded (Sorte2)
Also the “bne” label of 1941 but this time with brass cases.

Rgds
Dutch


#10

orpheus72 - thank you for the pictures.
I’ve always wondered if it happens that in boxes with “wh” cases some of the headstamps are the same.
In your box there 2 such cases.

However, it seems that the two P442 cases were originally loaded differently - one as a blank and one as a normal round.
I think that makes it a considerable coincidence that they ended up in one box.

dutch - thank you for your pictures and a very interesting choise of boxes.
It goes without saying that they are great.

For me it’s fascinating to find out about the contents.
If you were able to post some pictures of some of them open, that would be great.

The most interesting thing for me is what exactly are the headstamps of the Polish cases (the eej box)?
Also, in the P169 box, do all the cases have the same headstamp - P S*163 35, and are reworked?

I once found about 15 reworked cases P S* 43 36 in one spot, which was very strange, but that P169 box would prove it normal (if the cases are reworked).

Best regards


#11

Hi poltespandau,

Even in some “new manufatured” platzpatronen boxes you can find a certain mix …
All rounds are new (but ‘rejected’ for some reason) laquered steel eej cases with 3 stab primer-crimp

HS are:

3x eej St+ 2 43, 1x eej St+ 28 43, 3x eej St+ 29 43, 6x eej St+ 1 44, 1x eej St+ 7 44 and 1x eej St+ 12 44


#12

It seems to be there is some interest in Polish made blank boxes.

The first one is made with Polish cases and primers.

The second one with cases (leftovers) from an other Hasag plant “P490”.

The third one with old style CWS cases from P442

The fourth made with reworked CWS cases.

BTW. Platzpatronen 33 rounds were also packed in 20 and 50 round boxes.

Dutch


#13

These were lot leftovers.
Means new cases made to Platzpatronen 33.


#14

Dutch - wonderful collection, beautifully photographed, thank you!


#15

orpheus72 and dutch - thank you very much for the pictures.

I misread the label for the P169 box, so my finding in one place the 15 reworked Polte cases with the same headstamp still seems uncommon.
Has anyone ever come across a box with reworked cases with the same headstamp?

Dutch, could you also let me know if the eej box that you showed earlier contain the same eagle/39/N/67 cases?

Apart from that, I noticed that despite the box label stating that it contains cases from a given manufacturer from a given year, it can also contain cases from a different year (35/36 in this instance).

Regards


#16

[quote=“poltespandau”]Dutch, could you also let me know if the eej box that you showed earlier contain the same eagle/39/N/67 cases?

Apart from that, I noticed that despite the box label stating that it contains cases from a given manufacturer from a given year, it can also contain cases from a different year (35/36 in this instance).

Regards[/quote]

The „eej“ box from 1943 contains 14 cases with a N / 67 / N / 38 / head stamp and one from 35, black, green and without annulus coloured primer.

You are right; cases were “leftovers” from case los.
The case lots on blanks were not so important.

Rgds