Please Help ID Headstamp on 7.92 and 7.5 MAS


#1

Hi,

I need help to ID the country of origin and the manufacturer of the following headstamps.

The first cartridge is a 7.92x57. The second cartridge is a 7.5 MAS. I am assuming both are from the Middle East. A date of manufacture would also be great to know.

Any information will be appreciated. Thank you.

Heavyiron


#2

I believe the left one is Iranian (pre-1968 Tehran) while the right one is Syrian (1955?); The Syrians operated Factory 823 and Factory 837, but I don’t recognize those numbers on your headstamp.


#3

According to Ken Elks in his work “Ammunition with Arabic Markings” the 7.9mm round is a FN contract loading for Iran. The Arabic date at 6:00 reads 1309 (1930). The two Arabic caracters at 9:00 & 3:00 are A & L, the meaning of which are unknown to me. Can’t help with the 7.5 MAS.
Hope this helps. PB


#4

I agree with the ID for the one on the left. The one on the right is a Syrian 7.5 MAS believed to have been made by Egypt (to my knowledge no one has confirmed this). It is dated 1955


#5

The left one is and Iranian 7.92, dated 1306, I believe. “Elks” is not handy to do the year translation.
The second is a Syrian 7.5 MAS dated 1955. Syria spent a number of years in the French “sphere-of-influence” and used that cartridge to a significant extent. Egypt used some French AMX-13 tanks, but I don’t recall hearing of them ever using MGs in 7.5mm.


#6

[quote=“Jon C.”]The left one is and Iranian 7.92, dated 1306, I believe. “Elks” is not handy to do the year translation.
The second is a Syrian 7.5 MAS dated 1955. Syria spent a number of years in the French “sphere-of-influence” and used that cartridge to a significant extent. Egypt used some French AMX-13 tanks, but I don’t recall hearing of them ever using MGs in 7.5mm.[/quote]

I could be mistaken but I believe the date on the 7.9mm is 1309.
See scan. pbutler


#7

pbutler,
I agree that on your high-magnification scan that the h/s is 1309. Heavyiron’s pic, of a different cartridge, is most-likely also a 1309 but much more difficult to be sure.
Thanks for finding a better round.