Pre-WWII and WWII Romanian 7.9x57mm headstamps


#1

In another thread a packet label is shown with a loading date of 3 MAR 1943. The latest of the wartime “PA” headstamps that I have a record of is dated 1942. Does anyone know of a 1943 (or 1944) dated “PA” round?

Also if anyone can add to my small list of pre-WWII and WWII Romanian 7.9x57mm headstamps I would appreciate it a lot.

  • = added from responses

19/CMC/37/7.92/ (not verified)
19/CMC/38/7.92/ S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)
19/CMC/39/7.92/ S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)
19/CMC/39/7.92/ Dummy (CNCS, fluted case)
19/CMC/40/7.92/ S Ball (black annulus)
19 CMC 40 7.92.D S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)
19/CMC/40/7.92/ SS Ball (CNCS, green annulus)
19 CMC 40 7.92.D SS Ball (CNCS, green annulus)
19 CMC 41 7.92.D S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)
*19/CMC/41/7.92/ S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)
19 CMC 41 7.92.D SS Ball (CNCS, green annulus)
19/CMC/42/7.92/ S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)
19 CMC 42 7.92.D S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)
19 CMC 42 7.92.D SS Ball (CNCS, green annulus)
19 CMC 43 7.92.D S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)
19 CMC 43 7.92.D SS Ball (CNCS, green annulus)
19 CMC 44 7.92.D S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)

*P/1936/A/7.92/ S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)
P/1937/A/7.92/ S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)
P/1938/A/7.92/ S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)
P 1938 A 7.92- „D” S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)
*P/1939/A/7.92/ S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)
P 1939 A 7.92- „D” S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)
P/1940/A/7.92/ S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)
P 1940 A 7.92- „D” S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)
*P 1940 A 7.92- „D” SS Ball (CNCS, green annulus)
*P 1941 A 7.92- „D” S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)
P 1941 A 7.92- „D” SS Ball (CNCS, green annulus)
P 1942 A 7.92- „D” S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)
*P 1943 A 7.92- „D” S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)
*P 1943 A 7.92- „D” SS Ball (CNCS, green annulus)


7.92x57mm Mauser
2 cartridges... some details...?!
#2

19/CMC/41/7.92/ S Ball (black annulus)

P/1936/A/7.92/ S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)
P/1939/A/7.92/ S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)
P 1941 A 7.92 S Ball (CNCS, black annulus)


#3

Hey Phil,

I have 1943 PA Heavy Ball and Ball.

P 1943 A 7.92-“D” cncs proj, brass case, brass primer, green p/a. Ball is exactly the same with black p/a.

I have not seen any PA from 1944.

I can also verify that the 1939 PA headstamp you note does exist. I have it in ball with black p/a and cncs projo.

I have never seen the 1937 CMC.

Let me know if you want scans of the headstamps.

Dave


#4

treshkin – one question. Is your PA 1941 headstamp actually “P 1941 A 7.92” or is it "P 1941 A 7.92- „D” "?


#5

Sorry, I have "P 1941 A 7.92- „D” "


#6

Another one…
P 1940 A 7.92- „D” SS Ball (CNCS, green annulus).


#7
  • @ pbutler: While in Romania, I fired 7.92 X 57 rimless blanks with brass shell cases, manufactured in 1944 by “P.A.” I also had a few Romanian made 7.92 X 57 dummy rounds, manufactured in 1944 by the same “P.A.”; the bullets had nickel jacket and the brass shell cases were “loaded” about 2/3 with sand. I wish I could have now in my collection these rounds.
    As I explained in my articles printed in the IAA Journals, the letter “D” visible on some Romanian made 7.92 X 57 rimless ammo headstamps is the short of the Romanian word “deseu” (scrap), showing that the shell cases had been manufactured using recycled brass. Liviu 07/05/11

#8

My thanks to all who responded to my request.


#9

Since I can’t reach Liviu I have to aske here: Is there anybody who has Liviu’s article on Romanian cartridges/head stamps?
Would be great if somebody could help me in getting it.


#10

EOD, I’ll p.m. you and hopefully attach the relevant articles.


#11
  • @ EOD: Please let me know what you need and I’ll be more than glad to help you. Liviu 06/09/12