Recently Aquired a collection of obscure/antique ammo, could use some advice on ID'ing and what to do with it


#1

Ok, so I recently bought a box of ammo at an auction, thinking it was mostly .30-06 I could use. Turned out to be full of very old and obscure cartridges, not sure what to do.

So far I have gotten through most of the obvious older, rimmed pistol cartridges and some presumably lever action rifle cartridges. Here are the descriptions I have written up so far, I also attached a picture that have the cartridges in the same order.

  • W.R.A Co. .38 WCF- 1 Cartridge, Brass case centerfire, blank, wax paper
  • W.R.A Co. .41 LDA- 1 Cartridge, Brass case centerfire, lead not very oxidized
  • REM-UMC .44 WCF- 1 Cartridge, Brass case centerfire, half copper jacket
  • REM-UMC .44 WCF- 1 Cartridge, Brass case centerfire, wooden bullet
  • REM-UMC .32 WCF- 1 Cartridge, Brass case centerfire, white oxidized lead
  • KYNOCH .310- 1 Cartridge, Brass case centerfire, non-oxidized lead, small hollowpoint
  • REM-UMC .44 S&W R-1 Cartridge, Brass case centerfire, non-oxidized lead
  • W.R.A Co. .455 Colt- 2 Cartridges, Brass case centerfire (W stamp), lead fairly oxidized
  • U.S. .38 S&W - 1 cartridge, brass case centerfire, white oxidized lead
  • WRA 38-40 WIN. - 2 Cartridges, Brass case centerfire (stamp W?), half copper jacket
  • P -Stamp .38 Short - 5 Cartridges, brass case rimfire (P stamp), brownish lead
  • Unidentified Pinfire ( case width of 30-06 cart) - 2 Cartridges, Copper case (Stampless), fairly oxidized
  • U -Stamp .41 Winchester short - 2 cartridges - copper case rimfire (U stamp), white oxidized
  • PETERS 44 Magnum- 1 Cartridge, Brass case centerfire, dark lead, flat nose
  • REM-UMC .38 Colt Spl - 1 Cartridge, Brass case centerfire (U stamp), nickel-plated (?) flat nose
  • PETERS .38 Special- 1 Cartridge, Brass case centerfire, dark lead, round nose
  • REM-UMC .32 S&W Long- 1 Cartridge, Brass case centerfire, shiny dark lead
  • W.R.A Co. .32 EX-L - 1 Cartridge, Brass case centerfire, lead fair
  • REM-UMC .45 Colt- 1 Cartridge, Brass case centerfire, dark lead
  • PETERS .32 Colt NP - 1 Cartridge, Brass case centerfire (struck), dark lead
  • REM-UMC.32 Colt NP - 1 Cartridge, Brass case centerfire, dark lead
  • W.R.A. Co 25-25 - 1 Cartridge, Brass case centerfire, medium-gray lead
  • REM-UMC .38 SH Colt- 1 Cartridge, Brass case centerfire, dark lead
  • U-Stamp .38 (?) - 1 Cartridge, Copper Rimfire Case (U Stamp), Wooden Bullet
  • W-Stamp .40 (?) - 1 Shotshell, Rimfire Copper lower case, Tan Paper

I have quite a few cartridges to still go through, but can only do one pic since I am a new user. I will update as I get info on the remaining ammunition.

Are any of these particularly rare? What would I be best off doing with them?

Edit: not pictured:

DWM KK 487 - 9x25mm Mauser, Steel Bullet

ak St+ 1943 - All Black steel casing, copper primer, black steel bullet. Size of a 380acp but longer.


#2

Your 40? rimfire shot shell with the long tan paper sabot is a 9mm Flobert shot (with a double load of shot and the paper sabot is also found in other colors)

The others with a wood bullet are shot loading’s & worth perhaps $3 each - more or less.

Most all are worth only a .50¢ to a dollar or perhaps two being very common.

Hope this is of help.


#3

I appreciate the advice. Would you mind helping me out with some of the larger rifle rounds I have? One of them is marked in Cyrillic, a couple of them have absolutely no markings, others have markings that bring me nothing when I google them. Really most of the markings on these carts dont turn up many results.

I also have a load of various .30 caliber cartridges with all sorts of markings, are there any in particular I should look out for? (edit: along with those, I have a dozen old 45-70s, a dozen Carcano cartridges, and maybe two dozen 30-06 blanks with red paper/caps inside)

(also found a knife someone made from a .30 cal cart, thought I might as well include it just because the novelty)


#4

The ak St+ 1943 seems to me a German 9 mm Luger, WWII, standard issue. ak stands for the producer of the case : Munitionsfabriken formally Sellier &Bellot, Prague with factory in Vlasim, Czechoslovakia, manufactured under German occupation in 1943, lot 19. St+ means steel cased with improved design.
The cartridge on your picture with headstamp FN 52 is a tracer in .303 British, made by FN, Belgium 1952.
The cartridge with the red wooden bullet is a German blanc (Platzpatrone 33), WWII in 7,9 x 57 standard rifle caliber, WWII. Headstamp is not clear to me. It seems emp? That was the German WW II plant in Empelde of Dynamit-A.G.
The cartridge further to the right, without headstamp it seems, is also a 7,9, probably not German .
The last one with the knife. WWI, trench art ? Who knows but without the headstamp this is just a guess. Oh yes, I ask some help to the specialists for this caliber and for the others of course too.


#5

Thank you so much for all the information-I couldnt find anything about that 9mm round! And yes, that one cartridge’s headstamp does say emp. I was thinking the knife could’ve been trench art when I first saw it, but I wasn’t sure. I spent the last few hours looking through all the headstamps and found a half dozen cartridges from WWI, though. Here is a pic of the knife/cartridge headstamp.


#6

Ok, German 7.9, pre-WWI, made in November (11) 1912. But I’m not familiar with P and S… Polte (maker), in Spandau (place), something like that… one cannot know all…


#7

Thank you again, youre very knowledgeable. I suppose it’s possible for it to still be WWI, though I’m not sure how long they stored ammo back then. (I guess I’m just being really hopeful)


#8

It’s possible this cartridge went to war in 1914 but it was never used as the primer still is untouched.
Somebody took off the bullet and did rebuild it with the mini-knife. Who or when? We only can guess.


#9
  1. 43 Egyptian
    4)43 Spanish
    5)42 Russian Berdan
  2. 45-70 US carbine load

#10

your pin fire are most probably 12mm
oh and welcome to the IAA
you might have a new hobby forming