Russian & Finnish SAA ID Numbers


#1

Can anyone point me to a web page that details the current numbering system being used to identify the different loads of Russian and Finnish cartridges?


#2

Ron,

did not remember when I sent my reply to your earlier mail today, in the old forum Yuri Bushin wrote:

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I guess it would be interesting. Here on Russian anybody could find Russian denomination list (pehota.start.bg/article.php?aid=6315).

I’ve translated only part related to ammunition:

In 50th in USSR used different denomination system 51-, 52-, 53-, 54-, 56-, 57- later changed to newer system.
Here is list (not full) of adopted ammunition:

Group 7
7BZ – API ammunition
7BT – AP tracer ammo
7V – fuses
7G – hand grenades
7-Z – incendiary ammo (not AP)
7I – tools
7K – primers
7N – standardized ammo
7P – ammo for grenadelaunchers
7S – light spot and signal ammo
7T – tracer ammo (not AP)
7U – subsonic ammo
7Kh – blank and practice ammo
7Ch – practice ammo
7Sch – special ammo

Here is list of adopted
7N1 – 7.62 mm sniper
7N6 – 5.45 mm with PS bullet with still core
7N6VK - ?
7N6M - ?
7N7 – 5.45 mm pistol cartridge
7N8 - 9х39 mm SP5
7N9 - 9х39 mm SP6
7N10 – 5.45 mm with bullet PP
7N10M - ?
7N12 - 9х39 mm AP
7N13 – 7.62 mm with PP bullet
7N14 – 7.62 mm sniper API bullet SNB
7N15 – 9 mm with PP bullet
7N16 (57-N-181SM) – 9 mm cartridge for PMM
7N20 – 5.45 mm AP
7N21 - 9х19 mm
7N22 – 5.45 mm AP
7N23 – 7.62 mm AP BP
7N24 – 5.45 mm AP with BS bullet
7N25 – 9 mm PBM
7N26 – 7.62 mm cartridge with bullet BP
7N27 – 7.62 mm with PP bullet
7N28 - 9х21mm SP11
7N29 - 9х21 mm SP10
7N30 – 5.45 mm cartridge
7N31 - 9х19 mm AP
7N33 – 9 mm sniper
7N34 – 12.7 mm sniper

7P1 – grenade PG-7V for RPG-7
7P3 – grenade PG-9V for SPG-9
7P4 – grenade OG-9V for SPG-9
7P4M – grenade OG-9BM for SPG-9
7P5 – grenade OG-15V for 2A28
7P5M – grenade OG-15VM for 2A28
7P6 - grenade PG-7VM for RPG-7
7P7 – grenade PG-16V for RPG-16
7P9 – grenade VOG-17 for AGS-17
7P9M – grenade VOG-17M AGS-17
7P10 – test ccartridge for AGS-17
7P11 – grenade for RPG-18
7P14 – grenade PG-9VS for SPG-9
7P15 – grenade PG-15VS for 2A28
7P16 – grenade PG-7VL for RPG-7
7P17 – grenade VOG-25 for GP-25
7P21 – grenade for 2A28
7P24 – grenade VOG-25P for GP-25
7P26 – grenade for RPG-22
7P27 – grenade for RPG-26
7P28 – grenade for RPG-?
7P30 – grenade for RPG-27
7P36 – grenade VOG-30 for AGS-17
7P36D - ?
7P36U - ?
7P44U – practice grenade for GP-25
7P50 – grenade OG-7V for RPG-7

7S1 – signal cartridge
7S2M - ?
7S3 – 40 mm lighting ammo
7S3M – 40 mm lighting ammo
7S8 – 15 mm signal cartridge "Signal"
7S9 – 50 mm lighting cartridge
7S11 – cartridge ZP-1 or ZP-2
7S12 - NZP
7S13 – pneumatic pistol "Udar"
7S15 – 26 mm lighting cartridge for SP-81, SPSh, ESKP-46
7S18 – 30 mm lighting cartridge

7T2 – 7.62 mm tracer Т-46
7T2M – 7.62 mm tracer T-46M
7T3 – 5.45 mm tracer
7T3M – 5.45 mm tracer

7U1 – 5.45 mm US

7Kh1 – 12.7 mm blank
7Kh2 – 12.7 mm practice
7Kh3 – 5.45 mm blank
7Kh4 – 5.45 mm practice
7Kh6 – 7.62 mm TT practice

7Sch1 – cartridge for ammo 7S8
7Sch2 – 7.62 mm special blank
7Sch6 – 7.62 mm UZ

Another interesting question is why most of modern cartridges have at least two IDs 7N… and SP… For example 7N29 and SP10 are same cartridges. There is guess what 7N29 is army definition and SP10 is FSB definition and/or export or plant definition.
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#3

Hans–Thank you. That is exactly what I wanted. Does Finland use the same designations?