Russian mystery


#1

In the good old days ( pre-hacking ) of the forum a certain fine fellow from St Petersburg Russia came on frequently and with interesting content. Some of us had the pleasure of exchanging items and information with him and then in mid-communication , nothing. Does anyone have knowledge of him ?


#2

And what was the name of this man?


#3

Yuri ?


#4

Yuri Bushin. I inquire not because he owes me anything. In fact I am likely more in his debt than the reverse. He had been having some reported health problems and that compounded by the changes in Russian law regarding collector ordnance leaves me in wonder and concern.

My experience in the Soviet Union was that weapon and ammo collecting was as welcome as drug dealing. Even the black marketeers who I knew would not get near either. I was very surprised when in the new RUSSIA the window opened for some time allowing such things and never imagined that it would be open long.

Stories of gun collectors being arrested were not a surprise and I hope that this has not now extended to cartridge collectors as well.


#5

DrSchmittCSAEOD,
I have informed Yury about your desire to find him. I hope he will contact you.


#6

Thank you. I am statisfied to know that he is OK. I have been used to people going missing in the Soviet Union but not so much in the new Russia.


#7

Taking an opportunity I inform that Yury has begun the new project. He creates the catalog of Russian cartridges. He will be glad to any help

http://patron.trizna.ru/index.php?title=%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0


#8

No 7.62x25 Tokarev?!?!?!?!?!?!


#9

oops!


#10

It’s awesome that Yuri is doing that project on Russian cartridges. It’s the first time I have seen the prototype cartridge for the new style 7N30. It is dated 2004 here: http://patron.trizna.ru/index.php?title=9%D1%8519_%D0%9B%D1%8E%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80/%D0%9F%D0%9F

Also some excellent new info there (to me) about the 9x18:
http://patron.trizna.ru/index.php?title=9%D1%8518_%D0%9F%D0%9C/%D0%9F%D0%9F


#11

Jon - There is 7.62x25, you just have to go to the main caliber listing page for pistols here (translated version): http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpatron.trizna.ru%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3D9%25D1%258521


#12

Matt, that was all on the 9x21. How/Where did you find 7.62x25???


#13

Over on the left hand side you can click on “pistol” or “rifle” and it shows all the calibers. I dare say that Yuri has got a few variants in there that none of us have seen before, in 9mm, 9x18, and 7.62x25


#14

patron.trizna.ru/index.php?title … 1%8B%D0%B5


#15

Excellent, thank you!


#16

[quote=“DKConfiguration”]It’s the first time I have seen the prototype cartridge for the new style 7N30. It is dated 2004 here: http://patron.trizna.ru/index.php?title=9%D1%8519_%D0%9B%D1%8E%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80/%D0%9F%D0%9F

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Reliable sources in Russia told me this one to be the initial predecessor of the 7N30:


#17

That’s good to know. I suppose the 2004 version was a later step in the development process? I was going by the description on Yuri’s site which had that cartridge labeled as “Прототип патрона 7Н30 образца 2004 года” which means “the prototype cartridge 7N30 sample of 2004”.


#18

Yes, might be that there were even more designs.

I just wonder now if the 2004 design (which if I remember correctly was made by Klimovsk - was shown here already before) is definately related to the 7N30 which is made by Tula only so far.


#19

[quote=“EOD”]Yes, might be that there were even more designs.

I just wonder now if the 2004 design (which if I remember correctly was made by Klimovsk - was shown here already before) is definately related to the 7N30 which is made by Tula only so far.[/quote]

7N30 was designed by KBAL and Tula is only main contractor (licensed developer). KBAL has used cases from different manufacturers including KSPZ (Klimovsk). Commercial head-stamp on the case does mean nothing.
Maybe there were other variations but not yeat appeared on public.


#20

Hi John! I’m alive and will contact to you shortly. Sorry, it was very hard summer :( But everything is ok.