Russian or British drill Nagant?


#1

In Web I’ve spot interesting drill Nagant cartridge.
On first glance this is very typical British style of drill cartridges - fluted case with red painted cannelures.

Maybe somebody can identify it for sure? Is it British or Russian or British cartridge for Russia?


#2

My only comment would be that the colour looks wrong for it to be British. I would expect a British drill round to be slightly darker than Ferrari red but others may know better.


#3

From other side I do not know any other ever manufactured in Russia drill cartridge with painted fluted case. This is very British style…


#4

I think that dummy round was pictured/drawn in Regenstreif, and labeled as Russian.


#5

Yes, I know. I just would like to figure out was it British cartridges manufactured for Russia or Russian engeeners made cartridge in British style.


#6

Perhaps the cartridge is Russian and the painted flutes were used to make it very obvious it is a drill round. Since the bullet can’t readily be seen in the regular Nagant ball loading this extra identification would help avoid confusing the drill and ball cartridges. Jack


#7

Did Eley, Kynoch, or any other British manufacturer ever make 7.62 Nagant ammo?


#8

Eley did.


#9

Very possibly/ probably to contract. They made all sorts of ammunition for all sorts of friendy powers and at that time Russia would have been friendly. In fact a close friend and receiving lots of support from Britain. I would suggest commercially the answer is no because because there wouldn’t have been the demand. As before, I defer to those that may know better. Headstamps would be useful


#10

Yuri, do you know if that dummy is solid or hollow?


#11

Jon, it is filled with a concrete like substance as far as can be seen.

Here an Eley one (from a dummy board), it looks quite different:


#12

Filled by lead with wood plug in the primer pocket and “bullet” mock-up from epoxide.


#13

It looks like different but it doesn’t mean anything. It may be produced in different time and requested by different contract. This one on your photo is not cartridge for Russia. I mean not manufactured for Russia. No Elay Nagants appears here.


#14

Does anybody know when the British started to laquer the flutes of their drill cartridges?


#15

Headstamp of Eley Nagant cartridge would be nice…

jasve


#16

It is Russian dummy

Sorry for quality of the picture. I made it long time ago


#17

[quote=“jasve”]Headstamp of Eley Nagant cartridge would be nice…

jasve[/quote]

It has no hs.


#18

Hi!

The picture figuring in my book was taken in the Woodin Collection years ago, and as Bill told me then that it was a Russian made round … I did not see any reason to find another origin.

External condition was quite better than Yuri’s specimen (probably a dug out?), a black glossy finish (lacquer or metal surface treatment). No hstp.

By the way, Yuri’s section is quite interesting…

Cheers !

Philippe