Russian revolver cartridge? / solved=12.5x40R


#1

I was googling in Russian to search for odd pistol projectiles today, and I managed to find this forum thread where a 12.3 cartridge is mentioned, which if I understand correctly, was for a smooth-bore variation of the Udar revolver? I have seen photos of the cartridges for this weapon, and this one shown below is new to me. Appears to have a steel penetrator-type projectile. Can anyone speaking Russian clarify this from the forum link below?:

http://www.rusarmy.com/forum/topic1019-360.html



I did not see this cartridge type mentioned or imaged on Yuri Bushin’s website:
http://ammo-collection.com/index.php?title=12,3%D1%8550


#2

[quote=“DKConfiguration”]I was googling in Russian to search for odd pistol projectiles today, and I managed to find this forum thread where a 12.3 cartridge is mentioned, which if I understand correctly, was for a smooth-bore variation of the Udar revolver? I have seen photos of the cartridges for this weapon, and this one shown below is new to me. Appears to have a steel penetrator-type projectile. Can anyone speaking Russian clarify this from the forum link below?:
http://www.rusarmy.com/forum/topic1019-360.html
[/quote]
Revolver OTs-20 Gnome
12,5x40R STs-110 cartridge with a steel bullet


#3

Thanks Hooke, this makes sense to me now.


#4

[quote=“DKConfiguration”]I did not see this cartridge type mentioned or imaged on Yuri Bushin’s website:
http://ammo-collection.com/index.php?title=12,3%D1%8550
[/quote]
12,3x50R SP9 cartridge

Revolver RG053 Udar from TSNIITOCMASH


#5

I have two different type’s off bullets in my collection
12,5x40R Gnom smooth bore revolver.



#6

Are the cartridge cases for the Gnom, and the “Udar” revolver different, listed as 12.5x40R / 12.3x50R? Or are they both derived from 32ga shell casings? Are they interchangeable at all?

I find the less-lethal plastic multiball variant and the exposed steel-core AP variant both very interesting, albeit virtually unobtainable.


#7

I think I’ve just found answers to my questions from a source here, where on pages 99 and 109 of this Google book depiction, both are described:
http://books.google.com/books?id=qEhLZbdpkbYC&pg=PA109&lpg=PA109&dq=STs-110+gnom&source=bl&ots=UGtJ-GF61w&sig=EBJ3YKlQMFvfYi0zPzcj2k8vPLw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xX2FUOahOoyu0AH59oD4BQ&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=STs-110%20gnom&f=false


#8

[quote=“gyrojet”]I have two different type’s off bullets in my collection
12,5x40R Gnom smooth bore revolver.

[/quote]
This is 12,3x40R for U-94TS (Udar-TS) from KBP Tula
left RP-32 with a round rubber bullet
right KP-32 with fire paint bullets


#9

Yes

No, therefore, a different caliber 12.3 and 12.5, but core diameter equal


#10

[quote=“DKConfiguration”]I think I’ve just found answers to my questions from a source here, where on pages 99 and 109 of this Google book depiction, both are described:
http://books.google.com/books?id=qEhLZbdpkbYC&pg=PA109&lpg=PA109&dq=STs-110+gnom&source=bl&ots=UGtJ-GF61w&sig=EBJ3YKlQMFvfYi0zPzcj2k8vPLw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xX2FUOahOoyu0AH59oD4BQ&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=STs-110%20gnom&f=false[/quote]
and page 99


#11

I am not remember exactly, but possibly I already posted this picture at IAA forum
If yes, sorry for repeat


#12

I don’t recall ever seeing that photo in the forum Treshkin, thanks very much. Quality images of these cartridges are very rare online, even in the Russian websites.