Russian shotshell hstp


#1

It is :
ПАТРОИРУССКІИЗАВОДЗ

I’ve tried an on line traductor but without success !!
what does it mean please ?

JP


#2

It’s actually 3 different words: “ПАТРОН РУССКИЙ ЗАВОД”, which transliterates to “Patron Russkij Zavod”, or “Cartridge Russian Factory”. HTH.


#3

Thank you very much !!!

New question now : Who is this factory ??

JP


#4

Jean-Pierre: This may not be of use to you, but the letter forms as you’ve reproduced them are of the pre-Soviet Russian cyrillic alphabet, so that might help tie down the period of use. JG


#5
  1. For SDC
    You say :ПАТРОН РУССКИЙ ЗАВОД
    and in fact the hstp it is :
    ПАТРОH РУССКІИ ЗАВОД З

What is the difference meaning ?
Here is a picture of the hstp

  1. For J.Gill
    You say the letter are pre-Soviet alphabet?
    The communists changed the alphabet letters ??

Thanks
JP


#6

[quote=“jean-pierre”]1) For SDC
You say :ПАТРОН РУССКИЙ ЗАВОД
and in fact the hstp it is :
ПАТРОH РУССКІИ ЗАВОД З

What is the difference meaning ?
Here is a picture of the hstp

  1. For J.Gill
    You say the letter are pre-Soviet alphabet?
    The communists changed the alphabet letters ??

Thanks
JP[/quote]

  1. the tiny dot after the “ПАТРОН” suggests that in fact the whole word is “ПАТРОННЫЙ” (meaning “cartridge-making” for plant)
    so it is Russian cartridge Plant, manufacturing date being 1916

  2. yes, after 1917 (or 18, can’t remember) Cyrillic alphabet was simplified. In this case, the letters “I” in РУССКIЙ and “Ъ” in ЗАВОДЪ are dead giveaway: current (post-1917) spelling will be РУССКИЙ ЗАВОД


#7

[quote=“mpopenker”][quote=“jean-pierre”]1) For SDC
You say :ПАТРОН РУССКИЙ ЗАВОД
and in fact the hstp it is :
ПАТРОH РУССКІИ ЗАВОД З

What is the difference meaning ?
Here is a picture of the hstp

  1. For J.Gill
    You say the letter are pre-Soviet alphabet?
    The communists changed the alphabet letters ??

Thanks
JP[/quote]

  1. the tiny dot after the “ПАТРОН” suggests that in fact the whole word is “ПАТРОННЫЙ” (meaning “cartridge-making” for plant)
    so it is Russian cartridge Plant, manufacturing date being 1916

  2. yes, after 1917 (or 18, can’t remember) Cyrillic alphabet was simplified. In this case, the letters “I” in РУССКIЙ and “Ъ” in ЗАВОДЪ are dead giveaway: current (post-1917) spelling will be РУССКИЙ ЗАВОД[/quote]
    It’s a case of hunting cartridge. So, 16 - it’s not 1916, but 16 caliber.
    Probably it’s a version of name one of private cartridge plant in Moscow, During WWI many forein plant in Russia changed the names and use word Russian. So it may be Fitter&… Plant or Russo-Belgian Plant.