RWS #1 30 mm signal cartridge


#1

Would like to have some info about the german 30 mm signal cartridge. I have a nickel plated brass case made by RWS and headstamped " R.W.S 1 * 1" , berdan primer.

What’s the meaning of the numebr “1”? Was this cartridge also loaded with shot to use in some yacht cannon?


#2

I also have this shell but not plated, 4.5" long and fired (copper Berdan). The mouth shows evidence of having been crimped with a series of short perhaps 1/8th inch long, crimps perhaps 1/4" apart. The mouth is now nice & round with these crimp? marks being quite faint.

From the interior it looks clean about half way from the mouth & then shows where a thick wad might have been, then about the lower 1/4 has some reasonably light firing residue.

About all I know of it. I too have a question if it was a shot shell.

Yacht Cannon were not meant to be used as for shooting shot but for signaling. Not to say some one couldn’t have used them for sport, or defense.


#3

Thanks Pete, my sample was published in the municion.org database by the previous owner

municion.org/30mm/30x115R.htm

Well, my mistake about the use of the term “yacht cannon”…what I meant was those big smooth bore “cannons” mounted on small boats and used for hunting large quantities of birds. In Italian they are called " spingarde", but I don’t know the english term.


#4

[quote=“Pivi”]Thanks Pete, my sample was published in the municion.org database by the previous owner

municion.org/30mm/30x115R.htm

Well, my mistake about the use of the term “yacht cannon”…what I meant was those big smooth bore “cannons” mounted on small boats and used for hunting large quantities of birds. In Italian they are called " spingarde", but I don’t know the english term.[/quote]

the term you are looking for is “punt gun”

the n°1 was a flare shell, not a punt gun shell
jp


#5

the term you are looking for is "punt gun"
the n°1 was a flare shell, not a punt gun shell

Germany made only very very few punt gun shells;

  • one, the best known, is from DWM
    brass case
    neck diameter 38.8
    inside diameter 37.2
    case length 248

  • the other one is also from DWM
    brass case
    neck diameter 35
    inside diameter 33.5
    case length 125

in italy were made 32 mm and 4 and 8 gauges (both made by Leon Beaux and Fiocchi) 41 mm and 53 mm (for Beretta punt gun)

The 38 x 100 made by Fiocchi is not a punt gun shell but an anti hail shell
paper case
neck diameter 40.2
inside diameter 37.7
case length 100

There is a very old case made by Fiocchi 43 x 150, but I have’t still translate the drawing, therefore don’t know if it s a punt gun or an anti-hail shell
Paper case
neck diameter 46.2
inside diameter 43
case length 150

In England were quite a few punt gun shells
1 7/8 Holland Holland
1 3/4 Osborne
1 1/2 Eley
1, 1 1/8, 1 1/4, 1 1/2 and 2 Kynoch
and a few other ones

In France they were a lot of punt gun shells; Too long to enumerate

JP


#6

Thanks JP,
do you know why it is called “1” ?
Is it a common item?


#7

[quote=“Pivi”]Thanks JP,
do you know why it is called “1” ?
Is it a common item?[/quote]

no I don’t know why it is called 1
Anyway it is not 1 gauge

it is not a common item
i think these flares are from wwi and not wwii

jp