Scammer alert

Modified

Hi, he tried to do the same to me. Total scammer!! Admins need to remove him from the forum.

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Modified

Yeah I’m talking about Ron, aka Thomas Etzig from Kentucky.

He also tried to sell me the same thing. First deal was buying it via paypal, so I sent him funds and for some reason it got held. So we cancelled that one and tried again. This time it worked but then after a day it got refunded and his account was banned by paypal. So them we worked out a trade deal for it. A day later I noticed he posted the same stuff on facebook, I confronted him about it and he just said oh I have 2. So I said ok boxed up and sent my part of the trade to him. I messaged him with tracking and pic of the box. But funny thing is I was suspicious already and to make sure I didn’t get screwed I held the box at UPS, so it looked like it was shipped but was held. So I waited to see if he sent his tracking number for my stuff, which never happen, he just stopped communication after I sent my info. So I went back to UPS and got my stuff, I was lucky that he didn’t get me. Still to this day I haven’t heard from him, I have tried multiple times too.

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Modified

It happened 16 days ago. What other forum did you post in?

Modified

We have been talking about it since Oct 15th, last communication was 17 days ago.

hello
it strange ,the picture is very close to another scammer ,“glenn grujic”

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Glad we have this forum where this kind of “stuff” can be brought to people’s attention.

Just a few thinks. Since you have his address…

  1. Has anyone verified it is a real address?
  2. Has anyone contacted the local police there and filed a complaint?
  3. Has anyone filed a fraud complaint with Paypal?
  4. Has anyone filed a fraud complaint with your CC company, if one was used?

If he is doing this with cartridges, who know what else he is doing this with.
Theft via interstate commerce? USPS mail fraud?

Modified

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The paypal Friends and Family does not charge any fees IF you have a paypal account, but you paid a fee because you used a credit card instead.
I find it convenient to have a paypal account for both purchases and sales.
Yes, CC companies are VERY helpful when a charge dispute happens, and will almost always [99%?] side with the card holder- a little customer service goes a long way, and they are not really out any money in the bigger scheme of things.

Unfortunately a admin here is in no way wanting to help either, they have removed my posts about him and his address from the forum. I was told it wasn’t appropriate to post about it here, even know the scamming was coming from this forum and a guy using this forum to scam members. All I was trying to do is stop him from screwing over other members here but was met with hostility from one admin and the info was removed. If you want his address message me and I can tell you it, if I post it here they will just remove it. He is in KY. I also agree, the police are worthless in cases like this, most of the time nothing happens. The best thing to do is to just get the word out and stop him from scamming other people.

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Modified

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If I might explain

You and others may have been hurt but this is an educational forum where we discuss in technical terms the rounds that are in question be they what one thinks is good or another bad.

So discussing a possible fake or reproduction is perfectly alright.

We are not here to enforce the law or to call others fakers or sellers of fakes.

By posting a persons name & address we could open the club up to slander.

I have no access to the names so I don’t even know if either of you gentlemen are members of the IAA or not?

Our federal tax license says we must admit the public to this part of the forum and have posts of an educational matter. Posting names is not educational regarding ammunition.

That might also be the reason other sites are also not allowing this public shaming.

If it is so important start your own website for this, but see a lawyer first. My 2¢

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I can appreciate Petes’ position, and agree with it… mostly.
But, if someone is on this forum stealing from people he should be stopped, blocked, censured, or whatever may work.

My point with contacting local police is that he may very well be guilty of other crimes, and keeping it at or below $100 per offense keep him below the police radar… how many other $100 thefts might have been reported to his/her local police?

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Some will be happy.

Some will not.

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It’s not Pete’s position. It’s the IAA’s position. We routinely remove people’s names various times in various contexts.

Additionally, in this particular case, one of the reasons we have the BST forum is so that people can deal with people who are at least an IAA member. Even that is not always perfect and there have been issues before but it’s at least one small level of trust AND we would at least know who the people are then.

If some random person PMs you to buy or sell something you should always be a little extra wary.

We support various cartridge shows and reputable auctions too and list them on our webpage. This is probably the safest way to buy things.

Aaron, I just referenced Pete because he posted the comment.

HOWEVER, my advice to people who have been scammed is still to contact the police in the location where the scammer lives, because if nobody complains because “… it is only $100…”, the scammer is not stopped.
Who knows how many dozens of people got scammed out of $100?

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