Scarce 10,75 GRÜNDIG-Cartridge of only 45mm CL

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Here the pics from 2 10,75x45R (the shortest version of the Gründig-Series) It shows the ammo from 2 different boxes with bullets seated to different depth

Peter

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#2

Can you show the box?

What was the reason for doing this?

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What is Grundig cartridge? To me Grundig is a radio.

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Carl Gründig (c1852-1913) of Dresden was an Inventor, Gunmaker and Gun Dealer. He served an apprenticeship as a gun maker from as early as 1868 becoming a Master Gun Maker in 1876. He owned his own business shortly after, establishing a Rifle factory which existed from c1890 to early February 1945 when Dresden was bombed.

He was appointed as Königlich Sächsischer Hofbüchsenmacher to the Royal Saxonian Court by his Majesties Albert (1873-1903), Georg (1902-1904) and Friedrich Augurs III (1904-1918). Thereafter his letterhead only listed the title Hofbüchsenmacher. Carl Gründig passed away in 1913 and his business was then managed by his sons; Max & Hugo Gründig .

Although the titles were purchased with a yearly fee and also depended on the right political connections, it gave him prestige and attracted a prominent clientele. Dresden was the capital and Crown City of Saxonia and had attracted many Gun Makers since the founding of a Gun Makers Guild in 1545, among them gun makers from Suhl. Some of the finest guns made in Suhl were made for the Court in Dresden.

In the early years Gründig bought machined gun components made in Belgium and also in Suhl because he did not have the machines to do it himself. He must have also ordered completely finished guns and had his name engraved on them.

He had several patents granted for weapon technology including #108122 in 1899/1900 for his own locking mechanism.

In 1916 the company became the representative for Saxonia of the Gunmakers Teschner and Collath. After Word War I (1914-18) the two sons continued the business mostly as a retail store and a shop to service the guns they ordered and sold. The business existed until early in February 1945 when Dresden was bombed by British and American planes that resulted in a firestorm that killed over 22,000 people and left the whole city in ruins.

Gründig is also known for bullet designs towards the end of the 19th century. The Gründig name is also associated with a set of four German rimmed cartridges all utilising the same case head diameter of 12.5mm. There was also a series of rimless cartridges using this head size (see G Mauser Cartridges).

The rimmed 10.75mm calibers all utilise different lengths of the same case type with a 12.5mm base and a 13.8mm flat rim. Apparently introduced by Utendoerffer c1898 for Gründig rifles (??). Sometimes referred to as Target calibers, these are more correctly Sporting calibers as most examples encountered utilise the proprietary Gründig flat top SP bullet as shown in the 1911 Alfa catalog (see right) which is only known in 10.75mm caliber but was copied in other calibers.

Shown in RWS/Utendoerffer catalogs from c1900 under the Smokeless powder types as type “G” which is generally agreed to refer to “Gründig”. This is a different case type than the Tesching “G” type but it does have a similar base size as the rimless “G” types. Shown in the Alfa catalog as for rifles with drop barrels.

These cartridges were still listed by RWS in 1928 but these were not offered in their 1934 catalog. These calibers were however still listed as available in the 1931 Gecado catalog and some were also listed by DWM and Roth. Only specimens with the “H.UTENDOERFFER NURNBERG” hs are known to exist and all of these calibers are scarce today. The 10.75 Gründig rimmed cartridges are:

10.75x45R (GSP1)
10.75x52R (GSP2)
10.75x60R (GSP3)
10.75x65R (GSP4)

Also the rimless 9.3x63G (M56) and 10.75x63G (M57) are sometimes referred to as Gründig (see 'G Mauser cartridges) but it is unconfirmed whether Gründig had anything to do with the introduction of these cartridges.

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WBD
Thank you for this research,I have one of those rounds.However the irony is that I never knew that Guendig a Dresden Gunmaker was.I wonder where he was located before the destruction of the city
my fomative years were spend in Dresden from 1944 on and as a consequence was in the city when
it was ripped apart,I had always problems with these official post war casualty figures given.I know
that a lot of people have problems with what I write now,but the best book written on the subject is by
the British writer David Irving he gives a loss figure with 130000 and in my opinion that sounds about
right.The reason being in peace time the city alone had a population of 600 000 but here comes the
crunch I was there when in the late fall of 1944 1000sends of refugees started to flood into the city
from the eastern provinces at that time mostly from East Prussia.The Russians had started to cross the
the border I believe it was in June of that year.from the beginning of 1945 until the attack date they
started to flood in from anywhere since to that date the city was virtually intact.Even I was only a kid
but I remember most of it l;ike it was yesterday.And no they did not take us to a phsyciatrist after,they told us to behave or else.
Sherryl

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sksvlad, the radio guy was Max Grundig of Nuremberg in Bavaria.

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